Who do you want to be the QB for the Bucs in 2023?

[MJW]

I would love Brian Johnson, but I have no idea why he'd come here. Look at these two options:

One - Stay where he is
- Wait for Steichen to get a HC job, at which point he becomes OC and is next in line.
- Continue getting credit for Jalen Hurts.
- Continue coaching an offensive with the league's most aggressive playcaller.
- Continue working with one of the best offensive units in the league.
- Continue competing for Lombardis while he waits.
- Not uproot his life, etc.
- Face virtually no chance of his HC getting fired.

Two - Come To Tampa
- Huge risk of getting tossed out at the end of the year when Toilet Bowles is fired.
- Go from Jalen Hurts, 2nd Place MVP Finisher, to Mystery Quarterback.
- Scheme an attack behind an awful line.
- Call plays for one of the least aggressive coaches in the league.
- Get blamed by batshit fans who think our offensive is still super talented even though it's not.
- Get to deal with Bruce Arians offering "suggestions" for how he should coach the offense.

Like...why would you do that? He's on the gravy train. He's going to keep moving up cars. In a year, two at most, he'll get to pick his job. He comes here, and he gets the Todd Bowles stink on him and gets fired.

You are assuming that Bowles WILL be fired. It could well end up that Trask is pretty good (Derek Carr good), and Johnson is the missing piece. Our defense wasn't "top-tier" last season, but there were a lot of teams that were worse.

If we get Johnson as OC, we might just go 10-7 next year. Do you think Bowles gets fired after that?

Ah, we're going to pretend the team was well coached except for Leftwich's playcallling. That they weren't flat and uninspired. That they didn't play down to opponents. That Bowles's defense didn't give up 28 PPG to playoff teams. It was all Leftwich's fault.

Also, we're going to pretend "Derek Carr Good" is as good as Tom Brady. Sure, yep.

And we're going to pretend that Bowles hasn't put up 4 losing seasons in 5 years as a coach. Sure.

And we're going to pretend that this OC won't be Bowles's 5th in 6 years as a head coach. Uh Huh.

Why stop at 10 wins?

[Moozician]

You are assuming that Bowles WILL be fired. It could well end up that Trask is pretty good (Derek Carr good), and Johnson is the missing piece. Our defense wasn't "top-tier" last season, but there were a lot of teams that were worse.

If we get Johnson as OC, we might just go 10-7 next year. Do you think Bowles gets fired after that?

Ah, we're going to pretend the team was well coached except for Leftwich's playcallling. That they weren't flat and uninspired. That they didn't play down to opponents. That Bowles's defense didn't give up 28 PPG to playoff teams. It was all Leftwich's fault.

Also, we're going to pretend "Derek Carr Good" is as good as Tom Brady. Sure, yep.

And we're going to pretend that Bowles hasn't put up 4 losing seasons in 5 years as a coach. Sure.

And we're going to pretend that this OC won't be Bowles's 5th in 6 years as a head coach. Uh Huh.

Why stop at 10 wins?

First off, don't be so obtuse.

So, by what you are saying, the Glazers are ready to pull the trigger now?
I'm saying thay aren't. If they were, Bowles would be gone already.

No.. It wasn't all on Leftwich, but I would say the Offensive woes were. If this new OC really sparks the offense, I think we do win more games than last year, preserving Bowles position as HC.

[Phantom]

Who do I want to be the QB for the Buccaneers? Man that’s tough question! Oh I know… Aaron Rodgers!


Yes really!

[Naismith]

I'm just really surprised that anyone who watched this team last season would think it's smart to kick the cap can down the road to run it back with these guys and a new QB. I don't think Brady was giving the team particularly elite play and I feel pretty confident that a new OC will help, but I find it hard to believe that the combination of a new veteran QB and new OC can improve the team enough after watching that joyless, uncompetitive squad.

[Selmon Rules]

Futility on offense definitely impacts the defense. When the defense knows they have to be perfect or even better than perfect, they take chances to make the big play. If it isn't that, it's being on the field and simply running out of gas late 3rd and early 4th quarter....

Better offense improves the defense

That said, no, Leftwich was not the only problem the Bucs had last year but I believe unimaginative play calling was a huge problem

[mdb1958]

Harold Goodwin


Tampa Bay Buccaneers (2019–present)
Assistant head coach & run game coordinator

[mdb1958]

Futility on offense definitely impacts the defense. When the defense knows they have to be perfect or even better than perfect, they take chances to make the big play. If it isn't that, it's being on the field and simply running out of gas late 3rd and early 4th quarter....

Better offense improves the defense

That said, no, Leftwich was not the only problem the Bucs had last year but I believe unimaginative play calling was a huge problem

Defensive problems were addressed - they fired the woman.

[13F11B]

Harold Goodwin


Tampa Bay Buccaneers (2019–present)
Assistant head coach & run game coordinator

For QB? Or did you mean OC?

[mdb1958]

Harold Goodwin


Tampa Bay Buccaneers (2019–present)
Assistant head coach & run game coordinator

For QB? Or did you mean OC?

My post was tied to Selmon's post.

[King Bootz]

You have to ask yourself how the run game coordinator and the Oline coach of the 32 ranked run game and 32nd ranked run blocking Oline get to keep their jobs when so many others were let go.

[mdb1958]

Trask and Haener plus a couple UDFA's


Lindsey Scott Jr.

[BucsNBills]

You have to ask yourself how the run game coordinator and the Oline coach of the 32 ranked run game and 32nd ranked run blocking Oline get to keep their jobs when so many others were let go.

That's a good question. A question I doubt we'll ever get a satisfactory answer to.

But knowing Bowles, I'm guessing it's the usual suspect: cronyism.

[Al Bundy]

Honestly I want Trask and it's because I want the entire thing blown up. Front Office/Coaching staff all fired.

[mdb1958]

Honestly I want Trask and it's because I want the entire thing blown up. Front Office/Coaching staff all fired.

Umm, Al - go give someone a hug.

[Doctor]

Make sure they are okay with it first tho

[Selmon Rules]

Somebody needs a Snickers

[Grahamburn]

Honestly I want Trask and it's because I want the entire thing blown up. Front Office/Coaching staff all fired.

What if he’s good though?

[_MB_]

Honestly I want Trask and it's because I want the entire thing blown up. Front Office/Coaching staff all fired.

What if he’s good though?

Then he's going to get real mad.

[Al Bundy]

Honestly I want Trask and it's because I want the entire thing blown up. Front Office/Coaching staff all fired.

What if he’s good though?

Then the Buccaneers win the NFC South and a playoff game. However, there is more of a chance that Christopher Reeves stars in the next Superman movie than Trask being good.

[mdb1958]

Why?

[Buc2]

Why?

Because he doesn't like him. That's why. Haven't you been paying attention?

[mdb1958]

Why?

Because he doesn't like him. That's why. Haven't you been paying attention?

If the roster is going to be a complete mess - why worry about what QB we get massacred. 1/5th of our roster should be college free agents this year.

[Grahamburn]

What if he’s good though?

Then the Buccaneers win the NFC South and a playoff game. However, there is more of a chance that Christopher Reeves stars in the next Superman movie than Trask being good.

How can anyone know this? I didn’t like the pick at the time, but there’s no reason to write him off until he has a chance to prove himself.

[Al Bundy]

Then the Buccaneers win the NFC South and a playoff game. However, there is more of a chance that Christopher Reeves stars in the next Superman movie than Trask being good.

How can anyone know this? I didn’t like the pick at the time, but there’s no reason to write him off until he has a chance to prove himself.

He had a chance to be active on the roster with the guys that drafted him, now he will be around an offensive staff that didn't draft him and he is a very slow learner.

[MJW]

You have to ask yourself how the run game coordinator and the Oline coach of the 32 ranked run game and 32nd ranked run blocking Oline get to keep their jobs when so many others were let go.

The Run Game Coordinator, Harold Goodwin, is one of BA's closest friends in football. There's a clue. And the OL Coach goes back to Indy with BA.

Don't forget, if it were up to him, nobody would have been accountable.

And FWIW, it really pisses me off that I'm starting to turn on BA, who is arguably the greatest coach in Bucs history and brought me so much joy in 2020 and most of 2021. But look...It was obviously BA that made these coaches seem competent. Without him, they're getting exposed in real time. It should tell us something that when Bowles wanted Leftwich gone, none of BA's many "proteges" and friends on the massive coaching staff was capable of calling plays.

[Grahamburn]

Geno!

[BucsNBills]

Geno!

With us getting his QB coach that he had the most successful year of his career, it's not outside the realm of possibility.

And with the Seahawks owning such a high pick, they could let him walk and not engage in any bidding wars

Still, there's probably a 95% chance he stays with the Hawks.

[Kona]

Saw a tweet about Drew Lock being a cheap option to compete with Trask. Throw in Jake Haener from Fresno State in the 5th round and let all 3 compete. It’ll be the cheapest option, and if one of them hits, great! If not, you haven’t sunk a lot of capital into the position and can go get your guy for 2024.

[GreatTimes]

Saw a tweet about Drew Lock being a cheap option to compete with Trask. Throw in Jake Haener from Fresno State in the 5th round and let all 3 compete. It’ll be the cheapest option, and if one of them hits, great! If not, you haven’t sunk a lot of capital into the position and can go get your guy for 2024.

"It will be the cheapest option". Get use to saying that. From 2005 to 2018 the Bucs were notoriously cheap with the payroll being among the lowest in the league. The owners are in the business to make money. The $55 million that the Bucs are over the salary cap is money out of the Glazer's pockets for which they will see no return on that investment in 2023. I expect the Glazers to sugar coat their spending (ie cuts of prime players) by saying that are building for the future by stock piling draft picks in return for trades. Don't expect the Bucs to sign any high-priced free agents for years to come.

[MJW]

Saw a tweet about Drew Lock being a cheap option to compete with Trask. Throw in Jake Haener from Fresno State in the 5th round and let all 3 compete. It’ll be the cheapest option, and if one of them hits, great! If not, you haven’t sunk a lot of capital into the position and can go get your guy for 2024.

I'd be fine with that. That's the way we SHOULD be thinking. Cheap, limited commitment, upside.

[Bootz]

Saw a tweet about Drew Lock being a cheap option to compete with Trask. Throw in Jake Haener from Fresno State in the 5th round and let all 3 compete. It’ll be the cheapest option, and if one of them hits, great! If not, you haven’t sunk a lot of capital into the position and can go get your guy for 2024.

It's been so long since we've had a QB with upside here. We should be looking at QBs who have upside in the draft, not a 24 year old rookie projects with limited abilities.

[Kona]

Saw a tweet about Drew Lock being a cheap option to compete with Trask. Throw in Jake Haener from Fresno State in the 5th round and let all 3 compete. It’ll be the cheapest option, and if one of them hits, great! If not, you haven’t sunk a lot of capital into the position and can go get your guy for 2024.

It's been so long since we've had a QB with upside here. We should be looking at QBs who have upside in the draft, not a 24 year old rookie projects with limited abilities.

Maybe Hendon Hooker? Probably take a 3rd for him though.

[Bootz]

It's been so long since we've had a QB with upside here. We should be looking at QBs who have upside in the draft, not a 24 year old rookie projects with limited abilities.

Maybe Hendon Hooker? Probably take a 3rd for him though.

Honestly Trask might be the better option. Hooker is coming off a knee injury. Oh and he's terrible. We need to be looking at a QB who has mobility so we can catch up with the times.

[BucsNBills]

Trask, Drew Lock, Hendon Hooker, Jake Haener...I think we're officially in the Bargaining stage of Grief.

[Kona]

Trask, Drew Lock, Hendon Hooker, Jake Haener...I think we're officially in the Bargaining stage of Grief.

Unfortunately, this was the price to pay for the Brady years. Hopefully we make the right decisions to make this time as short as possible and set ourselves up nicely for 2024.