HELL NO to wanting him.
As an OP said in another thread, he’s booty juice!
There is literally not one qb I want less to trade a first for than Fields!
Field is debatably the best player on their team, and they have $92 million in cap space to build a team around him for 2023. I doubt they trade him, certainly not for a single mid-1st rounder.
1) Fuck No.
Potentially. I think Fields is a good QB on a roster bereft of talent. I don't know what the Bears think about him. He has thrown about as many Ints as Tds over his short career. They might think a QB coming out this year is going to be a superstar while Fields will only ever be above average at best. It also might be appealing to start over on a QB with a fresh rookie contract. It's unlikely but far from unheard of.
It was a good question IMO. The Bears will have a lot of decisions to make. But ultimately I don't see them believing any QB in this draft would give them a better of winning than Fields would along with other roster improvements. That 1st overall pick is very valuable to them.
I'm a Trask apologist (or at least a "give the kid a shot before executing him" person, but even I know nobody is trading anything worth of value for Trask.GreatTimes wrote: ↑Tue Jan 24, 2023 9:17 am Just read an article where a talking head stated that Trey Lance would be available for a 3rd round draft pick. I am sure a lot of posters on this forum would think it would be great if the Bucs could make a straight up trade for swapping Lance for Trask. I have in the past read where Jordan Love wants out of GB. Trask for Love?
acmillis wrote: ↑Tue Jan 24, 2023 9:44 amI'm a Trask apologist (or at least a "give the kid a shot before executing him" person, but even I know nobody is trading anything worth of value for Trask.GreatTimes wrote: ↑Tue Jan 24, 2023 9:17 am Just read an article where a talking head stated that Trey Lance would be available for a 3rd round draft pick. I am sure a lot of posters on this forum would think it would be great if the Bucs could make a straight up trade for swapping Lance for Trask. I have in the past read where Jordan Love wants out of GB. Trask for Love?
Also, we would have to decide whether or not to pick up his 5th year option right now, without him ever really playing, and that 5th year option is completely guaranteed, so no, I do not want an unproven QB who would be more expensive than the unproven qb we already have...who is cheaper.
I was talking about Jordan Love. The OP mentioned trading Trask for Love.Four Verticals wrote: ↑Tue Jan 24, 2023 12:45 pmacmillis wrote: ↑Tue Jan 24, 2023 9:44 am
I'm a Trask apologist (or at least a "give the kid a shot before executing him" person, but even I know nobody is trading anything worth of value for Trask.
Also, we would have to decide whether or not to pick up his 5th year option right now, without him ever really playing, and that 5th year option is completely guaranteed, so no, I do not want an unproven QB who would be more expensive than the unproven qb we already have...who is cheaper.
No 5th year option for Trask. 2nd Rd. pick.
Absolutely, and with @ 2.3 in 2023, and fifth year option cost of about 20M (totaling 22.3M) vs. having Trask for two years at a total cost of 2.5M over the next two years, the decision is easy to not trade Trask for Love.
Legendary Bucs linebacker Lavonte David, a pending free agent, put on his general manager hat today in Phoenix.
David hopped on WDAE radio and was asked to play GM and roll out what he thinks the Bucs should do at quarterback.
David had a clear vision.
“Obviously you want to get a top-of-market guy like Aaron Rodgers, Derek Carr, but in the situation that we’re in, being a GM and being realistic, you have to go with Kyle Trask,” David said. “You have to put all your all your faith in Kyle Trask. You drafted him in the second round. You got the pieces; you gotta put the pieces around him before he can succeed. And you got to get the right offensive coach in who can be able to develop him to be the playmaker that we all know he can be.
“I love what I see [of Trask]. He’s a prototypical guy. You know, he’s able to move. He’s got a nice ball. Getting a chance to compete against him, obviously when he was on the scout team he made a lot of good throws against [the Bucs defense] and stuff like that. So I definitely feel like he could be a guy who could, you know, come in and help turn us into a winning football team.”
Well, there you go. The Trask flag is waving tonight.
Joe’s not surprised David went there. He may be the best second-round pick in Bucs history, so David surely knows guys can outplay their draft position if they have the drive and are put in a good position to succeed.
Trask, of course, remains a mystery to nearly everyone in the NFL after two seasons of riding the bench and getting little first-team work in preseason.
Source: https://www.joebucsfan.com/2023/02/lavo ... yle-trask/
I would love Brian Johnson, but I have no idea why he'd come here. Look at these two options:BucsNBills wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 7:25 am If LVDs sentiment is echoed in OBP then it wouldn't surprise me if we're waiting for the super bowl to make a strong push for Brian Johnson.
He's called plays before, he worked with Trask, he clearly helped with Hurts, and there are no optics issues.
You're not wrong. Which then begs the question: Why would anyone come to Tampa as the OC?MJW wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 7:34 amI would love Brian Johnson, but I have no idea why he'd come here. Look at these two options:BucsNBills wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 7:25 am If LVDs sentiment is echoed in OBP then it wouldn't surprise me if we're waiting for the super bowl to make a strong push for Brian Johnson.
He's called plays before, he worked with Trask, he clearly helped with Hurts, and there are no optics issues.
One - Stay where he is
- Wait for Steichen to get a HC job, at which point he becomes OC and is next in line.
- Continue getting credit for Jalen Hurts.
- Continue coaching an offensive with the league's most aggressive playcaller.
- Continue working with one of the best offensive units in the league.
- Continue competing for Lombardis while he waits.
- Not uproot his life, etc.
- Face virtually no chance of his HC getting fired.
Two - Come To Tampa
- Huge risk of getting tossed out at the end of the year when Toilet Bowles is fired.
- Go from Jalen Hurts, 2nd Place MVP Finisher, to Mystery Quarterback.
- Scheme an attack behind an awful line.
- Call plays for one of the least aggressive coaches in the league.
- Get blamed by batshit fans who think our offensive is still super talented even though it's not.
- Get to deal with Bruce Arians offering "suggestions" for how he should coach the offense.
Like...why would you do that? He's on the gravy train. He's going to keep moving up cars. In a year, two at most, he'll get to pick his job. He comes here, and he gets the Todd Bowles stink on him and gets fired.
I get what you're saying, but, come on, man. Someone is going to take the job. Be it Johnson or not. But your arguments of why they wouldn't come here, while they have some merit, the arguments leave out the biggest reason why they WOULD come here. Like the players, these coaches have egos, too. What better place to prove your acumen as an OC than with a team that just failed miserably? You don't even have to make the playoffs. You just have to produce a marked improvement. If you do that, the team itself will improve overall. Hell, you just might make the playoffs, earning your boss another year and, thus, earning yourself another year and improving your stock for the next step on the coaching tree.MJW wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 7:34 amI would love Brian Johnson, but I have no idea why he'd come here. Look at these two options:BucsNBills wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 7:25 am If LVDs sentiment is echoed in OBP then it wouldn't surprise me if we're waiting for the super bowl to make a strong push for Brian Johnson.
He's called plays before, he worked with Trask, he clearly helped with Hurts, and there are no optics issues.
One - Stay where he is
- Wait for Steichen to get a HC job, at which point he becomes OC and is next in line.
- Continue getting credit for Jalen Hurts.
- Continue coaching an offensive with the league's most aggressive playcaller.
- Continue working with one of the best offensive units in the league.
- Continue competing for Lombardis while he waits.
- Not uproot his life, etc.
- Face virtually no chance of his HC getting fired.
Two - Come To Tampa
- Huge risk of getting tossed out at the end of the year when Toilet Bowles is fired.
- Go from Jalen Hurts, 2nd Place MVP Finisher, to Mystery Quarterback.
- Scheme an attack behind an awful line.
- Call plays for one of the least aggressive coaches in the league.
- Get blamed by batshit fans who think our offensive is still super talented even though it's not.
- Get to deal with Bruce Arians offering "suggestions" for how he should coach the offense.
Like...why would you do that? He's on the gravy train. He's going to keep moving up cars. In a year, two at most, he'll get to pick his job. He comes here, and he gets the Todd Bowles stink on him and gets fired.
You are assuming that Bowles WILL be fired. It could well end up that Trask is pretty good (Derek Carr good), and Johnson is the missing piece. Our defense wasn't "top-tier" last season, but there were a lot of teams that were worse.MJW wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 7:34 amI would love Brian Johnson, but I have no idea why he'd come here. Look at these two options:BucsNBills wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 7:25 am If LVDs sentiment is echoed in OBP then it wouldn't surprise me if we're waiting for the super bowl to make a strong push for Brian Johnson.
He's called plays before, he worked with Trask, he clearly helped with Hurts, and there are no optics issues.
One - Stay where he is
- Wait for Steichen to get a HC job, at which point he becomes OC and is next in line.
- Continue getting credit for Jalen Hurts.
- Continue coaching an offensive with the league's most aggressive playcaller.
- Continue working with one of the best offensive units in the league.
- Continue competing for Lombardis while he waits.
- Not uproot his life, etc.
- Face virtually no chance of his HC getting fired.
Two - Come To Tampa
- Huge risk of getting tossed out at the end of the year when Toilet Bowles is fired.
- Go from Jalen Hurts, 2nd Place MVP Finisher, to Mystery Quarterback.
- Scheme an attack behind an awful line.
- Call plays for one of the least aggressive coaches in the league.
- Get blamed by batshit fans who think our offensive is still super talented even though it's not.
- Get to deal with Bruce Arians offering "suggestions" for how he should coach the offense.
Like...why would you do that? He's on the gravy train. He's going to keep moving up cars. In a year, two at most, he'll get to pick his job. He comes here, and he gets the Todd Bowles stink on him and gets fired.