Tampa Bay Buccaneers Official 2023 Off Season Thread

[Naismith]

That doesn't seem like a particularly credible source but I'd gladly give up a second this year for Lance. I'd give up 50 and 82 for him.

[Doctor]

Depends on the QB. Lance is not one of those QB imo.

[NeezDuts]

That doesn't seem like a particularly credible source but I'd gladly give up a second this year for Lance. I'd give up 50 and 82 for him.

i wouldn't give a red cent for him

[Grahamburn]

That doesn't seem like a particularly credible source but I'd gladly give up a second this year for Lance. I'd give up 50 and 82 for him.

Based on what?

[Naismith]

That doesn't seem like a particularly credible source but I'd gladly give up a second this year for Lance. I'd give up 50 and 82 for him.

Based on what?

You need a great QB to consistently compete for championships. Lance may never even be a good QB but at such a small price and only in 2023, it's worth taking the shot. You don't need for it to work a high percentage of the time for it to be winning gamble.

[Grahamburn]

Based on what?

You need a great QB to consistently compete for championships. Lance may never even be a good QB but at such a small price and only in 2023, it's worth taking the shot. You don't need for it to work a high percentage of the time for it to be winning gamble.

But don't you think the 49ers know this as well? They paid a steep price for Lance. I had this out in another thread already, but if they're trading him for pennies on the dollar we should wonder why. It can't be because they think Brock Purdy or Sam Darnold are the answer. It's because they definitely think Lance isn't.

[Doctor]

Based on what?

You need a great QB to consistently compete for championships. Lance may never even be a good QB but at such a small price and only in 2023, it's worth taking the shot. You don't need for it to work a high percentage of the time for it to be winning gamble.

I feel the last part somewhat contradicts the first part.
Either way, I agree with the last part more. I doubt anyone here would swap our last 23 years for the Packers or Saints.

[13F11B]

I would ask Jeff Garcia to come back before making a trade for Trey Lance.

[BuccaNOLEer]

Bucs just picked up Wirf's 5th year option. He's definitely a keeper if he can stay healthy.

[Naismith]

You need a great QB to consistently compete for championships. Lance may never even be a good QB but at such a small price and only in 2023, it's worth taking the shot. You don't need for it to work a high percentage of the time for it to be winning gamble.

But don't you think the 49ers know this as well? They paid a steep price for Lance. I had this out in another thread already, but if they're trading him for pennies on the dollar we should wonder why. It can't be because they think Brock Purdy or Sam Darnold are the answer. It's because they definitely think Lance isn't.

I definitely think the Niners think this but they also thought he was worth three firsts two years ago so they clearly aren't infallible. In addition, there are circumstances that have impacted this decision and Brock Purdy is one of them.

I listen to a lot of analysts that know far more than I do about this sort of stuff and they often talk about Kyle Shanahan being a top 10 QB on his own, that his QB is effectively an avatar that Shanny controls from the sideline. When they traded up, they did so with the intention of taking Mac Jones but Shanahan was talked into Lance because he added an extra dynamic. But with Purdy, you have a guy that carries off Shanahan's preferred offense precisely how he wants it and costs 3 million total over three seasons. With a team as stacked as the Niners, that is a huge advantage.

[Naismith]

You need a great QB to consistently compete for championships. Lance may never even be a good QB but at such a small price and only in 2023, it's worth taking the shot. You don't need for it to work a high percentage of the time for it to be winning gamble.

I feel the last part somewhat contradicts the first part.
Either way, I agree with the last part more. I doubt anyone here would swap our last 23 years for the Packers or Saints.

Here's an article from Bill Barnwell that illustrates what I'm saying.



Adam Levitan tweeted this out, "This @billbarnwell chart is for pick 26, but illustrates the point. Due to rookie scale contracts vs. current veteran QB market, taking swings over and over again makes sense."

Basically, the reward for a rookie contract QB is so disproportionately high, it's hard not to be a good pick even if it misses at a high rate.

[Doctor]

The "rookie QB cheat code" is a siren's call.

[Grahamburn]

The ultimate BPA chart. We just draft QBs in the first every year. Roster construction be damned.

But, apply those concepts to team needs and you’ve got something.

[_MB_]

The ultimate BPA chart. We just draft QBs in the first every year. Roster construction be damned.

But, apply those concepts to team needs and you’ve got something.

Here's the rub on BPA

Team needs are subjective in terms of importance.

Best player is more subjective than that.

[Grahamburn]

The ultimate BPA chart. We just draft QBs in the first every year. Roster construction be damned.

But, apply those concepts to team needs and you’ve got something.

Here's the rub on BPA

Team needs are subjective in terms of importance.

Best player is more subjective than that.

Everyone preaches best player available, but they all draft the best player available based on their roster needs.

[Doctor]

QB is a unique outlier as a position. I guess you could say K, P, and LS too.

[Central_Buc]

I just hope we take a LT in the first.

[Bootz]

[Miller4Prez64]

It sucks that Gio’s most notable moment as a Buc was dealing with Jenna Laine being an ass after a game.

[mdb1958]

I just hope we take a LT in the first.

I noticed - it was like a perceived 100% group that all agreed. It made me feel sad and unheard..

[GreatTimes]

I just hope we take a LT in the first.

I noticed - it was like a perceived 100% group that all agreed. It made me feel sad and unheard..

Bowles is a defensive coach and thus drafts defensive players. I see a lot of sacks in the Buc's future. That would be the Bucs QB's being sacked.

[Central_Buc]

I just hope we take a LT in the first.

I noticed - it was like a perceived 100% group that all agreed. It made me feel sad and unheard..

The more I learn about Kancey the more I like the pick. Looking forward to day 2.

[Miller4Prez64]

I noticed - it was like a perceived 100% group that all agreed. It made me feel sad and unheard..

Bowles is a defensive coach and thus drafts defensive players. I see a lot of sacks in the Buc's future. That would be the Bucs QB's being sacked.

I really don’t like how much we have prioritized the defense this offseason after how the offense looked last year. It’s part of the reason I just wanted Bowles gone and to start fresh, you can tell we have a DC running the team.

Hopefully we invest something into the offense tonight and we just don’t have to sell ourselves on a first time OC waving a magic wand over our problems.

[mdb1958]

Bowles is a defensive coach and thus drafts defensive players. I see a lot of sacks in the Buc's future. That would be the Bucs QB's being sacked.

I really don’t like how much we have prioritized the defense this offseason after how the offense looked last year. It’s part of the reason I just wanted Bowles gone and to start fresh, you can tell we have a DC running the team.

Hopefully we invest something into the offense tonight and we just don’t have to sell ourselves on a first time OC waving a magic wand over our problems.

Most of our free agents were from the defensive side of the ball.

[mdb1958]

Lack of doing offense through first three rounds?

Lets see what's been picked.

5 QB's
7 RB's
9 TE's
9 OT's
2 G's
4 C's
14 WR's

[GreatTimes]

Lack of doing offense through first three rounds?

Lets see what's been picked.

5 QB's
7 RB's
9 TE's
9 OT's
2 G's
4 C's
14 WR's

What do those 5 QB's selected in the first 3 rounds of the draft have in common? They were all beaten by Stetson Bennett.

[Cheb]

Lack of doing offense through first three rounds?

Lets see what's been picked.

5 QB's
7 RB's
9 TE's
9 OT's
2 G's
4 C's
14 WR's

What do those 5 QB's selected in the first 3 rounds of the draft have in common? They were all beaten by Stetson Bennett.

Snap

[Snake]

I’m thinking Bucs are going WR/RB next.

[Doctor]

"BPA by need" us just need.

[Doctor]

I would also go absolutely nuts for a Israel Abanikanda pick. He's my Rhamondre this year.
Evan Hull would also be a fun day 3 guy.

Fall baby fall

[Kona]

[Ian Rapoport] The #Bucs have added to their QB room, signing former #Rams QB John Wolford. He joins Kyle Trask and Baker Mayfield in Tampa.

[Bootz]

Tell me you're tanking without telling me you're tanking.

[Naismith]

I'm probably reading too much into this but my first thought was that they still don't trust Trask to be the backup.

[Doctor]

Or.... hear me out....

Players get hurt in OTAs and you may want players who've been participating the whole time...

[Kona]

Yea we needed to add someone even for a camp arm. Wolford is trash but has started some games, he’s basically west coast Ryan Griffin