I think we should look at these 600/700 point offenses these smaller colleges are putting out. There just may be some special stuff happening and we may see some other position coach we'd like.
He sparingly called plays outside of 2018. Kind of like Bill Muir under Gruden, it was just OC in title.
I wouldnt know. I do remember Fitz throwin int's after a hot start.
Even if Koetter got all the blame - the record speaks for itself.
Heisenberg wrote: ↑Fri Jan 27, 2023 9:43 pm
Of the names out there so far I feel monken is the best/safest choice. Iirc his offense did pretty good here when he actually got to call plays. Then koetter took back over and sucked and gave them back. The game koetter took back over we had 500 yards offense but scored 3 points. How's that even possible.
Still, Monken was OC for 2016,17, and 18.
19 wins and 29 losses as OC for us.
I think we should look at these 600/700 point offenses these smaller colleges are putting out. There just may be some special stuff happening and we may see some other position coach we'd like.
He only called plays in 18, and that was still koetters playbook, he just finally got to call the plays.
"Monken had such success, with the offense averaging 448 yards and nearly 28 points per game, that it continued up until Week 10." That's when koetter took over for a game then handed it back to monken after scoring 3 points.
For all you smart a** around here. The entire Offensive staff was not fired. What OC would want to come in to a place where he can't install his pep. Especially when its an Defensive minded coach?
bucarican wrote: ↑Sat Jan 28, 2023 1:29 am
For all you smart a** around here. The entire Offensive staff was not fired. What OC would want to come in to a place where he can't install his pep. Especially when its an Defensive minded coach?
The success depends on the OC staff.
I assume Toilet Bowles is going to do what he tried to do last season with Leftwich: Give the entire offensive gameplan to his OC and be the DC, and when absolutely required, the head coach. With that in mind it's fair to assume the OC hire will have a TON of input on building his staff. I imagine whoever we pick will poach the hell out of his previous coaching staff, as is usually the case.
(Not sure who to root for in this regard.)
"So let's get to the point
Let's roll another joint
And let's head on down the road
There's somewhere I got to go..."
I’m sure the Glazers are talking to Brady and getting his input on who he’d prefer if he comes back…or at least who he’d be okay working with. As I said yesterday, I think if SF closes the door shut on Brady, I think he comes back to Tampa. It’s his best option. I think Gronk flattened the chances on Vegas yesterday, plus they don’t have the OL. And Miami would be the only other team that would make any sense.
Doctor wrote: ↑Sat Jan 28, 2023 11:03 am
Agreed. Miami or Jets, imo, are the only other two with any chance to plug and win.
No...Just no..
Miami is no where near being a plug and win team. They quite literally had the highest rated passer in football this year and still barely made the playoffs.
QB is not the problem for them. That defense is hot garbage. They gave up at least 20 points in 11 of their 17 games. 30+ in 5 of them. They traded their 1st round pick for Bradley Chubb and paid him a very handsome sum and it didnt make a difference.
They can't run the ball effectively because their Oline is not very good. They don't protect the QB very well either.
The Jets are a super young team and in many ways overachieved this year. They have some talent but they aren't ready to seriously compete for their division. Let alone a championship. They need more weapons on offense, more talent on their Oline and their defense has to grow up a little.
Doctor wrote: ↑Sat Jan 28, 2023 11:03 am
Agreed. Miami or Jets, imo, are the only other two with any chance to plug and win.
I think the Jets want Rodgers. Plus, the Jets OL ranked
In the bottom half of the NFL last season. He won’t go anywhere with a subpar OL…which is why the Bucs still make the most sense. As bad as our OL “seemed” to be, it still ranks in the top half and the problems we had are very fixable. Plus we have two All-Pros.
Miami is the perfect situation from a skill position standpoint. He goes to a team where he doesn’t have to throw deep…short routes to Hill and Waddle and let them do the rest. But their OL isn’t great, either, although they had injury problems this past year. But they’d be dumb not to entertain it. If you asked anyone in Miami who is going to give you a better shot at winning a SB, Tua or Brady, 99% of those who know football will tell you Brady. It’s a no-brained. Plus his kids live there.
This is an interesting one, anyone got the background on this guy? He has been instrumental in Burrows success. Would be great in potentially developing a young QB.
He's been with the Bengals since 2016 on Marvin Lewis' staff. Taylor retained him. He has experience coaching WRs & QBs. He interviewed for the OC job, not QB coach. So his main focus would not be developing a QB but designing, coordinating, and calling plays for the offense.
If nothing else, it appears Tampa is crossing their t's and dotting their i's on this search. That's a good thing. Hopefully, it results in a good hire.
that’s the ticket. It only took him reaching his 23rd year in the NFL before teams figured him out.
Brady has a better arm, he is more accurate, he has better pocket sense, he has better ball placement, he is more durable as a 45-year-old than Tua is now.
The biggest difference is that Brady is entirely immobile in a league that is fully pivoting to athletic quarterbacks. He also played last year with crappy pass protection in a system that requires good to excellent protection for the quarterback to thrive and take advantage of downfield explosive plays. Brady has just been asked to do a lot more than Tua in that Miami system.
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Snake wrote: ↑Sat Jan 28, 2023 12:05 pm
Brady is so much better than Tua.
Brady’s deep ball is not as good as Tua’s.
Tom Brady has a better arm and better ball placement than Tua.
If Brady plays again next season and doesn’t show improvement despite being in a better situation, I’ll concede that he’s lost something. But I saw enough in limited situations to know that he can still sling it.
Tom Brady has a better arm and better ball placement than Tua.
If Brady plays again next season and doesn’t show improvement despite being in a better situation, I’ll concede that he’s lost something. But I saw enough in limited situations to know that he can still sling it.
Tom Brady is just better than Tua. Period. End of story. There shouldn’t be a stupid debate on this. Tua isn’t a bad qb. He’s just not as good as Tom Brady and he can’t stay healthy to trust the guy.
Yes, Brady will go down in history as a much better QB. That isn’t the question. Who is better right now? If we go by the most recent footage from this year, it appears to me that Tua looks like he will be more effective in the 2023 season.
If Tua is healthy, why would Miami want to upset the apple cart by bringing in a QB who will turn 47 and could fall off the cliff at any time? The point I was making is that it would be a retarded move for Miami to go after Brady.
Brady = 98.7 passer rating since 2020
Tua = 95.0 passer rating since 2020
Brady = 3 MVPs
Tua = 0 MVPs
Brady = Missed 0 games due to injury since 2009
Tua = Missed 11 games due to injury since 2020
I can go on and on. Tua is beating Brady in rushing yards though since 2020, so I’ll give him that.
But yeah…Tua is better than Brady .
Interesting that for some of this you went for the full career and some you opted to go since 2020.
Who had the better 2022, which is what really matters?
You can’t just look at 2022, and even if you did, I would say Tua has proven himself to be untrustworthy when it comes to his health. But if I want to win a SB next season, you’d be a fool to tell me that Tua gives you a better chance of winning a ring than Brady. Any Dolphins fan would laugh at you for saying that and you’d lose all respect on this board.
Tom Brady has a better arm and better ball placement than Tua.
If Brady plays again next season and doesn’t show improvement despite being in a better situation, I’ll concede that he’s lost something. But I saw enough in limited situations to know that he can still sling it.
1 of them had the best season of his career, the other had the worst.
You shouldnt have to count on a 46 year old to show "improvement" because chances are it ain't happening.
If your case if that with bad ball placement and a bad arm, all Tua did was throw more TD passes than Brady and led the league in passer rating, watch out. Wait until he learns how to leverage his short comings to his advantage.
I think it’s missing context and context is important when you’re one of 22 on the field. Brady played in a system dependent on great o-line play and had a bad one all season. Additionally, he played for an anti-everything good OC who was incapable of making appropriate adjustments. And was fired at the season’s end.
Snake wrote: ↑Sat Jan 28, 2023 2:06 pm
I think it’s missing context and context is important when you’re one of 22 on the field. Brady played in a system dependent on great o-line play and had a bad one all season. Additionally, he played for an anti-everything good OC who was incapable of making appropriate adjustments. And was fired at the season’s end.
Deck was stacked against him on offense.
That completely destroys any point you made about Brady being better than Tua at this stage of both of their careers. But by all means, continue.
Tua also had a bad Oline and he was the leagues best passer.
Evans & Godwin have been better than the combo of Hill & Waddle.
Brady also played in the same system he's been in since 2020 while Tua was in a brand new system.
You could make the same excuses(because let's be honest that's what they are) for them both but you've chosen to do so for only 1 of them.
. How's that even possible.
