Tampa Bay Buccaneers Official 2023 Off Season Thread

[mdb1958]

There's also one in Baltimore. What's your point?

tainted/mentally defunct - do not want.

[Grahamburn]

Could any of the draftniks here enlighten me if the draft class is good for offensive linemen? It seems like we still need a Guard despite Goedeke, having seen him be disastrous every time he took the field. And obviously we also need an upgrade to Smith, whether it be a LT or a RT.

There could be a player like Broderick Jones (better run blocker) or Anton Harrison (better pass blocker) available at #19.

[BucsNBills]

Interesting, Per Stroud during this interview, the Glazers are wanting to stay relavent and are looking to "Swing for the Fences" with QB:

[MJW]

Slow down MJW. Gage got beat the fuck up for us this year, literally ending up in the hospital. Dude makes a super average $10M, which is less than Tim Patrick, Curtis Samuel, and Michael Gallup and right there with the MVS's and Charks of the world.

So unless you are suggesting that Gage is now injury prone (missed 2 games in 3 years before coming here) or he's faking it to just laugh his way to the bank, Gage will probably be restructured as opposed to cut.

Counterpoint: He sucked when he did play. We can save a straight up $10 mil, as opposed to being on the hook to pay him MORE money when we will need it to sign actual players.

[King Bootz]

Interesting, Per Stroud during this interview, the Glazers are wanting to stay relavent and are looking to "Swing for the Fences" with QB:

We'll see what "swing for the fences" means next month.

[MJW]

Interesting, Per Stroud during this interview, the Glazers are wanting to stay relavent and are looking to "Swing for the Fences" with QB:

"Relevant" is code for "Selling T-Shirts."

Literally the only goal the Glazers should have is wanting to win rings.

[King Bootz]

Interesting, Per Stroud during this interview, the Glazers are wanting to stay relavent and are looking to "Swing for the Fences" with QB:

"Relevant" is code for "Selling T-Shirts."

Literally the only goal the Glazers should have is wanting to win rings.

2 in 20 years ain't bad.

[BucsNBills]

Interesting, Per Stroud during this interview, the Glazers are wanting to stay relavent and are looking to "Swing for the Fences" with QB:

"Relevant" is code for "Selling T-Shirts."

Literally the only goal the Glazers should have is wanting to win rings.

To be fair, in order to win rings, don't you have to be relevant first?

[Puss in Boots]

"Relevant" is code for "Selling T-Shirts."

Literally the only goal the Glazers should have is wanting to win rings.

To be fair, in order to win rings, don't you have to be relevant first?

Were the 2011 giants relevant?

[BucsNBills]

To be fair, in order to win rings, don't you have to be relevant first?

Were the 2011 giants relevant?

I mean, they certainly weren't irrelevant. They had a Manning under center, and their defense was making noise. Then they pushed the Patriots to their limit in the regular season which proved to be a preview of what was to come in the SB.

Edit: oops, just noticed I may have confused 2011 with 2007. Either way they weren't an irrelevant football team.

[King Bootz]

Any team in New York makes the playoffs, they are automatically relevant.

[mdb1958]

Could any of the draftniks here enlighten me if the draft class is good for offensive linemen? It seems like we still need a Guard despite Goedeke, having seen him be disastrous every time he took the field. And obviously we also need an upgrade to Smith, whether it be a LT or a RT.

All will have to meet the established NFL veterans they will face.

[bucarican]

Give me Derrick Carr and Monkin. Build on that

[Sdbucs]

Give me Derrick Carr and Monkin. Build on that

Build on what?

A failed QB that couldn’t get his team to accomplish anything at any time
Combined with a failed NFL OC riding on being part of the most talented roster in CFB

You REALLY think that’s best for the future of this team?

[mdb1958]

Slow down MJW. Gage got beat the fuck up for us this year, literally ending up in the hospital. Dude makes a super average $10M, which is less than Tim Patrick, Curtis Samuel, and Michael Gallup and right there with the MVS's and Charks of the world.

So unless you are suggesting that Gage is now injury prone (missed 2 games in 3 years before coming here) or he's faking it to just laugh his way to the bank, Gage will probably be restructured as opposed to cut.

Counterpoint: He sucked when he did play. We can save a straight up $10 mil, as opposed to being on the hook to pay him MORE money when we will need it to sign actual players.

It was a confusing acquisition, my guess is Tom mentioned him after the AB thing so Licht made it happen.

[Grahamburn]

Give me Derrick Carr and Monkin. Build on that

Build on what?

A failed QB that couldn’t get his team to accomplish anything at any time
Combined with a failed NFL OC riding on being part of the most talented roster in CFB

You REALLY think that’s best for the future of this team?

I’m not going to advocate for Carr, but Matthew Stafford was a “failure” for a long time too. Until he wasn’t.

[BucsNBills]

Maybe we should move Smith inside to LG? He was projected to be a guard anyway and many of his issues are really revealing themselves on the outside. Perhaps at LG he can reinvent himself and fill a huge void on the Oline.

[Buc2]

Maybe we should move Smith inside to LG? He was projected to be a guard anyway and many of his issues are really revealing themselves on the outside. Perhaps at LG he can reinvent himself and fill a huge void on the Oline.

A LG at his salary?

Let's just help him pack his bags and be on his way.

[BucsNBills]

Maybe we should move Smith inside to LG? He was projected to be a guard anyway and many of his issues are really revealing themselves on the outside. Perhaps at LG he can reinvent himself and fill a huge void on the Oline.

A LG at his salary?

Let's just help him pack his bags and be on his way.

I mean, if we retain him which there's a good chance we do, he's going to be paid one way or the other. If he earns his keep at LG much more so while filling a hole, then what difference does it make?

Way I see it, we keep him, let him stay at tackle and hope for the best. Cut him, and then have to draft a guard and LT, or shift him inside, leaving only LT to fill in the draft.

[King Bootz]

We should move Smith to LG because his college scouting report from 8+ years ago said he would be a guard?

MOVE ON!

[Snake]

Interesting, Per Stroud during this interview, the Glazers are wanting to stay relavent and are looking to "Swing for the Fences" with QB:

Of course. Glazers got a taste of GOAT milk and realized how important a great QB is.

Carr is an upgrade over Trask. Not a swing for the fences.

Mayfield is not a swing for the fences.

Lamar definitely is. He will come at a salary and asset premium.

[King Bootz]

Interesting, Per Stroud during this interview, the Glazers are wanting to stay relavent and are looking to "Swing for the Fences" with QB:

Of course. Glazers got a taste of GOAT milk and realized how important a great QB is.

Carr is an upgrade over Trask. Not a swing for the fences.

Mayfield is not a swing for the fences.

Lamar definitely is. He will come at a salary and asset premium.

As is Aaron Rodgers. Looking at his contract, he'd be very affordable with a trade considering what we'd be getting. I hope we scratch the surface there.

[_MB_]

Of course. Glazers got a taste of GOAT milk and realized how important a great QB is.

Carr is an upgrade over Trask. Not a swing for the fences.

Mayfield is not a swing for the fences.

Lamar definitely is. He will come at a salary and asset premium.

As is Aaron Rodgers. Looking at his contract, he'd be very affordable with a trade considering what we'd be getting. I hope we scratch the surface there.

I've dismissed the possibility for some time, but ending up with Rodgers would be... something.

[Sdbucs]

As is Aaron Rodgers. Looking at his contract, he'd be very affordable with a trade considering what we'd be getting. I hope we scratch the surface there.

I've dismissed the possibility for some time, but ending up with Rodgers would be... something.

That wouldn’t be so bad…

Depends on what we’d have to give though.

[BucsNBills]

Of course. Glazers got a taste of GOAT milk and realized how important a great QB is.

Carr is an upgrade over Trask. Not a swing for the fences.

Mayfield is not a swing for the fences.

Lamar definitely is. He will come at a salary and asset premium.

As is Aaron Rodgers. Looking at his contract, he'd be very affordable with a trade considering what we'd be getting. I hope we scratch the surface there.

From my understanding, unless the Packers and Rodgers rework his deal, they basically have to wait for a post June 1 trade where the cap hit is much more bearable.

And if Over the Cap is correct, adding Rodgers to the roster via trade only has like a $15mil or so cap liability for 2023.

Assuming that happens, we get a full 2023 draft class and could add Rodgers to a(hopefully) improved roster and playcaller.

How many wins you think we get with Rodgers and a better roster? 10? is 12 too many you think?

[King Bootz]

I'd do it for a 1st & a 2nd

[Sdbucs]

As is Aaron Rodgers. Looking at his contract, he'd be very affordable with a trade considering what we'd be getting. I hope we scratch the surface there.

From my understanding, unless the Packers and Rodgers rework his deal, they basically have to wait for a post June 1 trade where the cap hit is much more bearable.

And if Over the Cap is correct, adding Rodgers to the roster via trade only has like a $15mil or so cap liability for 2023.

Assuming that happens, we get a full 2023 draft class and could add Rodgers to a(hopefully) improved roster and playcaller.

How many wins you think we get with Rodgers and a better roster? 10? is 12 too many you think?

Wouldn’t we be giving up heavy draft capital? Am I out of the loop or wouldn’t GB want at least a couple of picks(1s and 2s)

I’m fine with giving up 2023 picks but idk if giving up a 2024 pick for a QB who could retire any season is wise

[BucsNBills]

From my understanding, unless the Packers and Rodgers rework his deal, they basically have to wait for a post June 1 trade where the cap hit is much more bearable.

And if Over the Cap is correct, adding Rodgers to the roster via trade only has like a $15mil or so cap liability for 2023.

Assuming that happens, we get a full 2023 draft class and could add Rodgers to a(hopefully) improved roster and playcaller.

How many wins you think we get with Rodgers and a better roster? 10? is 12 too many you think?

Wouldn’t we be giving up heavy draft capital? Am I out of the loop or wouldn’t GB want at least a couple of picks(1s and 2s)

I’m fine with giving up 2023 picks but idk if giving up a 2024 pick for a QB who could retire any season is wise

I guess I'm just assuming we do a post June 1 trade. I'm also assuming that you can't trade 2023 draft picks for a Post june 1 transaction.

If I'm wrong, please correct me as I'm only assuming here.

[Sdbucs]

Wouldn’t we be giving up heavy draft capital? Am I out of the loop or wouldn’t GB want at least a couple of picks(1s and 2s)

I’m fine with giving up 2023 picks but idk if giving up a 2024 pick for a QB who could retire any season is wise

I guess I'm just assuming we do a post June 1 trade. I'm also assuming that you can't trade 2023 draft picks for a Post june 1 transaction.

If I'm wrong, please correct me as I'm only assuming here.

Just haven’t had my coffee yet and didn’t connect the post-June trade to draft already being over

[King Bootz]

As is Aaron Rodgers. Looking at his contract, he'd be very affordable with a trade considering what we'd be getting. I hope we scratch the surface there.

From my understanding, unless the Packers and Rodgers rework his deal, they basically have to wait for a post June 1 trade where the cap hit is much more bearable.

And if Over the Cap is correct, adding Rodgers to the roster via trade only has like a $15mil or so cap liability for 2023.

Assuming that happens, we get a full 2023 draft class and could add Rodgers to a(hopefully) improved roster and playcaller.

How many wins you think we get with Rodgers and a better roster? 10? is 12 too many you think?

Nearly every trade/release executed in the NFL is designated as a post June 1st move. Kind of an unwritten sportsmanship rule between NFL franchises.

We'd have to exercise a $58mil option, which would be split over 4 years. Add in his $1.1mil base salary and a $50k workout bonus, we'd be getting a top QB for peanuts. I think we could win 10+ games with him at QB. He can make plays under duress that Brady simply could not and I think he would definitely be all-in here.

[BucsNBills]

From my understanding, unless the Packers and Rodgers rework his deal, they basically have to wait for a post June 1 trade where the cap hit is much more bearable.

And if Over the Cap is correct, adding Rodgers to the roster via trade only has like a $15mil or so cap liability for 2023.

Assuming that happens, we get a full 2023 draft class and could add Rodgers to a(hopefully) improved roster and playcaller.

How many wins you think we get with Rodgers and a better roster? 10? is 12 too many you think?

Nearly every trade/release executed in the NFL is designated as a post June 1st move. Kind of an unwritten sportsmanship rule between NFL franchises.

We'd have to exercise a $58mil option, which would be split over 4 years. Add in his $1.1mil base salary and a $50k workout bonus, we'd be getting a top QB for peanuts. I think we could win 10+ games with him at QB. He can make plays under duress that Brady simply could not and I think he would definitely be all-in here.

Hmm, I had no idea about that. So basically anyone that's traded is usually not "officially" traded until June 1st?

So then I guess you CAN trade 2023 assets for a trade that won't actually go through until June 1st?

[King Bootz]

Nearly every trade/release executed in the NFL is designated as a post June 1st move. Kind of an unwritten sportsmanship rule between NFL franchises.

We'd have to exercise a $58mil option, which would be split over 4 years. Add in his $1.1mil base salary and a $50k workout bonus, we'd be getting a top QB for peanuts. I think we could win 10+ games with him at QB. He can make plays under duress that Brady simply could not and I think he would definitely be all-in here.

Hmm, I had no idea about that. So basically anyone that's traded is usually not "officially" traded until June 1st?

So then I guess you CAN trade 2023 assets for a trade that won't actually go through until June 1st?

Correct. If that June 1 rule was actually implemented in the way it was designed, you'd probably never see trades in the NFL.

[King Bootz]

I remember a time where teams would have to wait until literally June 1st to release players. It was almost like a 2nd chance free agency period.

[Doctor]

I like that plan. Monken and Mayfield for a year or two before trading for a double franchise tagged Lamar Jackson.

I can hear Caleb lovers heads exploding.

[Buc2]

Of course. Glazers got a taste of GOAT milk and realized how important a great QB is.

Carr is an upgrade over Trask. Not a swing for the fences.

Mayfield is not a swing for the fences.

Lamar definitely is. He will come at a salary and asset premium.

As is Aaron Rodgers. Looking at his contract, he'd be very affordable with a trade considering what we'd be getting. I hope we scratch the surface there.

Can you just imagine Rodgers coming here in 2023 and winning an SB? The sports world would lose its collective mind.