Tampa Bay Buccaneers Official 2023 Off Season Thread

[Grahamburn]

They aren't trading White while Bowles is the HC. If/when he gets canned and a new GM comes in they probably just let him walk.

[Bootz]

So glad to be wrong

[MJW]

It's Shaq and a 7th for a 6th.

This must be the not-mattering-cap I've been hearing so much about.

[mdb1958]

It's Shaq and a 7th for a 6th.

This must be the not-mattering-cap I've been hearing so much about.

Licht and his two for ones - they are always in the other guys favor.

[Bootz]

It's Shaq and a 7th for a 6th.

This must be the not-mattering-cap I've been hearing so much about.

Licht and his two for ones - they are always in the other guys favor.

This was a money saving move. But yes for the most part Licht never takes full advantage.

[mdb1958]

Licht and his two for ones - they are always in the other guys favor.

This was a money saving move. But yes for the most part Licht never takes full advantage.

Guess we have to wait to see if he uses this deal to trade up another round.

[_MB_]

Licht and his two for ones - they are always in the other guys favor.

This was a money saving move. But yes for the most part Licht never takes full advantage.

I'm sure it's so he can trade with people again. He's not negotiating with the Madden AI.

[Kona]

Basically cap saving move. Shaq was solid, if unspectacular last year. Hopefully this means we’re bringing Lavonte back

[Navybuc]

Can we get Ali Marpet to un-retire? We have two All-Pros on the line…and nobody else. Not sure the draft and FA is going to fix that problem much, either. Good luck Baker and Trask.

[Bootz]

[Backside]

I just feel like above average guard play is worth $5m regardless. Now we just have a dead cap hit of ~$5m? There is no backup needing to get some burn. That Wirfs tweet alone seems to be evidence that he's not a bad locker room guy.

Idk, I'd just keep the dude.

[BucsNBills]

Not really understanding the Shaq move honestly. Unless they feel confident Goedeke can take over for him then this just creates another whole for cap space that could've been obtained with a signing bonus restructure, which is why I don't think this was strictly a cap move.

[Cheb]

Not really understanding the Shaq move honestly. Unless they feel confident Goedeke can take over for him then this just creates another whole for cap space that could've been obtained with a signing bonus restructure, which is why I don't think this was strictly a cap move.

Our current draft class will cost about $10 million to sign, and we are back over the cap by about $1.5 million. We NEED to create space still, and Mason was the easiest way to do that.

As for restructuring Mason versus trading him, we surprisingly get more cap relief from trading him ($5.3 million) than by restructuring him ($4.7 million). Moreover, maybe we thought he just wasn't good enough to justify the money he was being paid? I could see that. He has offered average guard play, certainly not the dominant play I was lead to believe he was going to bring.

I thank him for playing for the Bucs and wish him luck on the Texans, but this was certainly the best decision for the Bucs at this time. I feel a bit bad about trading him to the Texans, but DeMeco Ryans seems like a good dude.

[real bucs fan]

Shaq Mason is on the block.

Devin White SHOULD be on the block.

Who would be your pick in this draft to replace Devin White?

I like Jack Campbell a lot.

But not sure selling White is the move. Has he been inconsistent? Yes. But he’s also capable of incredible things.

[Grahamburn]

Not really understanding the Shaq move honestly. Unless they feel confident Goedeke can take over for him then this just creates another whole for cap space that could've been obtained with a signing bonus restructure, which is why I don't think this was strictly a cap move.

Shaq probably refused a restructure.

[Snake]

Gonna have to give Wirfs a serious bag. No discounts coming.

[BucsNBills]

Gonna have to give Wirfs a serious bag. No discounts coming.

He deserves it. I'd say $22mil a year is the starting pointing.

[Bootz]

Spotrac predicts he'll be the highest paid OL in football. 5yrs/$116mil

[Primeminister]

Not really understanding the Shaq move honestly. Unless they feel confident Goedeke can take over for him then this just creates another whole for cap space that could've been obtained with a signing bonus restructure, which is why I don't think this was strictly a cap move.

It could be as simple as being a bad fit for the new blocking scheme Canalés is bringing.

[Buc2]

This was a money saving move. But yes for the most part Licht never takes full advantage.

Guess we have to wait to see if he uses this deal to trade up another round.

…for a kicker.

[Backside]

Spotrac predicts he'll be the highest paid OL in football. 5yrs/$116mil

I’d consider that a bargain.

[mdb1958]

Riley Moss just may be a good 4th round pick if we had one!

[Bootz]

Riley Moss just may be a good 4th round pick if we had one!

Do you think 3 6th round picks gets us into the 4th

[Nobody]

Not really understanding the Shaq move honestly. Unless they feel confident Goedeke can take over for him then this just creates another whole for cap space that could've been obtained with a signing bonus restructure, which is why I don't think this was strictly a cap move.

It could be as simple as being a bad fit for the new blocking scheme Canalés is bringing.

Its not the optimal fit that is for sure (as I laid out to one degree or another in my speculation on Canales' system thread). Shaq is an exceptional Gap player and a solid to + Inside Zone player. Outside Zone? You're somewhere between "scant evidence" and "the outcome does not look good" with him in an Outside Zone heavy scheme.

So this move doesn't remotely surprise me. To be honest, I would have been surprised if they didn't make that move given all the dynamics in play (cap + wanting to get Hainsey on the field and he being at least Replacement Level if not a minor upgrade from Shaq in terms of Outside Zone heavy offense).

[GreatTimes]

Cheb Wrote "Our current draft class will cost about $10 million to sign, and we are back over the cap by about $1.5 million. We NEED to create space still, and Mason was the easiest way to do that."

Is that 1.5 million over the cap before or after trading Shaq away?
Either way it is a trade out of desperation to try to keep the Bucs under the salary cap. In order for the Bucs to resign LVD, the Bucs need to make more salary cap moves. (trade White)

[Bootz]

I wonder if we'll wait until after the comp pick eligibility windown closes to sign Baker or Brissett so they don't count against us.

[BucsNBills]

I wonder if we'll wait until after the comp pick eligibility windown closes to sign Baker or Brissett so they don't count against us.

When is that?

[Cheb]

Cheb Wrote "Our current draft class will cost about $10 million to sign, and we are back over the cap by about $1.5 million. We NEED to create space still, and Mason was the easiest way to do that."

Is that 1.5 million over the cap before or after trading Shaq away?
Either way it is a trade out of desperation to try to keep the Bucs under the salary cap. In order for the Bucs to resign LVD, the Bucs need to make more salary cap moves. (trade White)

That was prior to trading Shaq Mason. Since the trade we are now at a hair under $3 million in cap space, and we have to be compliant tomorrow, so I doubt we make other moves.

We have announced that we are going to cut Lenny and Brate but have yet to do so. If we designated them as post June-1 cuts, then we get nearly $9 million in cap space, but from what I understand we wouldn't get that cap relief until that time. If we released them now without that designation, we would by contrast only save $5.4 million against the cap.

[Bootz]

I wonder if we'll wait until after the comp pick eligibility windown closes to sign Baker or Brissett so they don't count against us.

When is that?

Sometime around the draft I believe

[Snake]

[Bootz]

Yes let's give a less than mediocre guard coming off reconstructive knee surgery a RAISE from what he made last year. Love it!

[kaimaru]

Wow, nice haul so far.

Bucs’ 2023 Draft Capital Following The Shaq Mason Trade
March 14th, 2023
With starting right guard Shaq Mason now a member of the Texans (sorry, Shaq), the Bucs’ draft board has changed. Here are the current picks — and some pertinent information:

Round 1: No. 19 Overall
Round 2: No. 50
Round 3: No. 82
Round 4: No. 121 (dealt to Jaguars for 2022 picks)
Round 5: No. 153
Round 5: No. 175 (compensatory pick)
Round 6: No. 179 (from Houston in pick No. 230 swap today)
Round 6: No. 181 (from Colts in Grant Stuard trade)
Round 6: No. 186
Round 7: No. 230 (from NY Jets in Steve McLendon trade)
Round 7: No. 252 (compensatory pick)
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https://www.joebucsfan.com/2023/03/bucs ... son-trade/

[Phantom]

You approve? I don’t

[BucsNBills]

Less than ideal

[Snake]

Hate to see him go anywhere but they’d be top 5 least hated, for me.

Really curious what his market is.