Welcome new OC Dave Canales!

[Digital_Damage]

Just tank this shit...

[Digital_Damage]

It think its interesting some of the coaches said "fuck this shit, im gonna retire"

Also leaving the staff are specialists coach Chris Boniol, wide receivers coach Kevin Garver, offensive quality control coach Jeff Kastl, assistant defensive line coach Lori Locust and running backs coach Todd McNair. Quarterbacks coach Clyde Christensen, senior offensive assistant Rick Christophel and outside linebackers coach Bob Sanders have decided to retire.

[acmillis]

It think its interesting some of the coaches said "fuck this shit, im gonna retire"

Also leaving the staff are specialists coach Chris Boniol, wide receivers coach Kevin Garver, offensive quality control coach Jeff Kastl, assistant defensive line coach Lori Locust and running backs coach Todd McNair. Quarterbacks coach Clyde Christensen, senior offensive assistant Rick Christophel and outside linebackers coach Bob Sanders have decided to retire.

“Offensive quality control”

Bwahahahahahahaba

[King Bootz]

It think its interesting some of the coaches said "fuck this shit, im gonna retire"

Also leaving the staff are specialists coach Chris Boniol, wide receivers coach Kevin Garver, offensive quality control coach Jeff Kastl, assistant defensive line coach Lori Locust and running backs coach Todd McNair. Quarterbacks coach Clyde Christensen, senior offensive assistant Rick Christophel and outside linebackers coach Bob Sanders have decided to retire.

The Bucs probably told them they were going to be fired as well and they felt "retired" sounds better.

[Doctor]

Chances of Brady returning just went down

You are stuck on this idea that Brady really wants to work with Leftwich. If OBP hires a good offensive mind how is that a negative? Leftwich has proven he cannot do this job.

Yes. Because I listen to these men and what they say. The only way I see Brady returning now is if SF and his fallback (Mia? NYJ?) reject him and he has nowhere else to go. And even then, our new OC would have to want him too. The days of giving Brady anything are probably done.

So much of this drama and nonsense is purely just talk. These are grown men, who worked very well together and loved doing so. They won a superbowl together. When they are clicking they wrecked the league.
But that era is over and it's okay to say that era is over without needing to make things more than what they are.

Leftwich is absolutely the right OC for us at the right time. Brady talked about how much work they would put in, crushed a 32 game learning curve in 8 games. He served up great gameplans that let us eat off big plays. Mike Evans had 31 TDs in two years. We finally unlocked Chris Godwin. Brady had some of his most incredible years and plays.

But that's passed. Arians and Brady are gone. Leftwich, while he has his strengths, is not the kind of OC we need right now. We are a complete mystery at QB and despite tank-aholics wishes, no way Bowles or Licht are going to waste a year (maybe two?) where you Shaq, Vea, White, LVD? (wants to finish here), AWJ, and Davis. Not to mention JTS, Hall, and other guys who are poised to make a leap.

Tankers will say dumb shit like "why would any good OC want to come to a sinking ship", when it is probably the furthest thing from the truth. Do we need to revamp the OL, sure, literally 90% of the league is always revamping the OL, that's what OLs do. Luckily we have a GM who has been fantastic and finding the right OL to fit what our HC needs. But you are offering an OC a chance to restart an offense with Godwin/Evans and a good defense? Yes, please.

The OC/QB relationship is going to be everything in this hire.

[Primeminister]

Can somebody send this to the Glazers? This is exactly what needs to happen.

Really?

1 and 2 are contradictory. Super modern offense ready to go but also totally adaptable to whomever is on the roster.

3 is something from a motivational poster.

4 means win by being the better team.

5 and 6 basically mean "no blacks"

7 is don't pursue Brady



So we should tell the Glazers to get a white guy with the perfect offensive scheme that doesn't want Brady.

We disagree on the interpretation, but yours is interesting.

1 and 2 both work together. A modern offense is not limited to a few types of players. The mobile QB might be the exception.

Staley is the embodiment of 3 so good call by BnB. The lack of belief in advanced stats is one reason Byron failed this season. As soon as he voiced his incorrect & outdated opinion on play action I knew we were dead in the water as an offense.

4 was a hallmark of Lefty’s offense. Think about how many ineffective screens we would run simply because the defense would sit on them. Or think back to running TWO plays for with Tom at WR as if the Seahawks wouldn’t be ready for it. Or how about refusing to use more play action (although we were one of the best PA teams) because Lefty believes we must run the ball well before play action would work.

5 & 6 I take as hire the best people.

7 I have been relatively vocal in my Brady criticism for a while now. Tom has a large share of blame for this putrid offense. When Lefty did dial up winners Tom would often miss the throw. He was never dialed in and lost us games which used to be unfathomable. I will not be upset if Brady goes elsewhere next year. I am ready to move on.

[nybf]

If we go with Mayfield, just shoot me in the dick right now!

This is legally enforceable, right @Kress

[Brazen331]

Really?

1 and 2 are contradictory. Super modern offense ready to go but also totally adaptable to whomever is on the roster.

3 is something from a motivational poster.

4 means win by being the better team.

5 and 6 basically mean "no blacks"

7 is don't pursue Brady



So we should tell the Glazers to get a white guy with the perfect offensive scheme that doesn't want Brady.

We disagree on the interpretation, but yours is interesting.

1 and 2 both work together. A modern offense is not limited to a few types of players. The mobile QB might be the exception.

Staley is the embodiment of 3 so good call by BnB. The lack of belief in advanced stats is one reason Byron failed this season. As soon as he voiced his incorrect & outdated opinion on play action I knew we were dead in the water as an offense.

4 was a hallmark of Lefty’s offense. Think about how many ineffective screens we would run simply because the defense would sit on them. Or think back to running TWO plays for with Tom at WR as if the Seahawks wouldn’t be ready for it. Or how about refusing to use more play action (although we were one of the best PA teams) because Lefty believes we must run the ball well before play action would work.

5 & 6 I take as hire the best people.

7 I have been relatively vocal in my Brady criticism for a while now. Tom has a large share of blame for this putrid offense. When Lefty did dial up winners Tom would often miss the throw. He was never dialed in and lost us games which used to be unfathomable. I will not be upset if Brady goes elsewhere next year. I am ready to move on.

As do I. I’m not sure how a hiring policy based on ‘no cronyism’ and ‘merit’ equates to ‘no blacks.’ Perhaps MB can enlighten us as to why rules 5 and 6 are so anti-black?

[MJW]

Doctor and I disagree on how much Arians was the reason for that offensive production. I wish Byron well as OC of another team & I earnestly hope he proves me wrong. However I am elated that he is gone because I do not believe him to be a good OC.

It's a matter of personal opinion as to how much influence Arians had while Leftwich was OC. 1 thing I don't think anyone would disagree with is 2022 offense was by far the worst he had to work with and the most injured.

So, with Todd Bowles, he did a good job because he won the division, and we should ignore that it was one of the worst divisions in modern league history and he had a losing record anyway...because results. But with Leftwich, we should keep in mind that he had a lot of injuries to deal with when evaluating how good he did his job.

[acmillis]

If we go with Mayfield, just shoot me in the dick right now!

This is legally enforceable, right @Kress

Then I have a legit excuse when it doesn't work, right???

[Phantom]

None of above…

Bill O’ Brien

[Cheb]

I voted for Brian Johnson. He has done a great job with Jalen Hurts for the Eagles, has called plays in the past, and has an obvious connection with Kyle Trask, being his coordinator in college. Yes, please and thank you.

Frank Reich would be a good consolation prize, as would be Monken.

The other guys don't impress me. Joe Brady was bad with the Panthers under Matt Rhule. Jim Caldwell has been out of the game for three years. Greg Roman can't coordinate a passing game and got ran out of Baltimore for good reason. Darrell Bevell is the dummy who didn't run Marshawn Lynch from the one yard line in the Superbowl. Kliff Kingsbury's offenses fell apart at Arizona after the midpoint of the season. So a hard pass on those dudes for sure.

[MJW]

I voted for Brian Johnson. He has done a great job with Jalen Hurts for the Eagles, has called plays in the past, and has an obvious connection with Kyle Trask, being his coordinator in college. Yes, please and thank you.

Frank Reich would be a good consolation prize, as would be Monken.

The other guys don't impress me. Joe Brady was bad with the Panthers under Matt Rhule. Jim Caldwell has been out of the game for three years. Greg Roman can't coordinate a passing game and got ran out of Baltimore for good reason. Darrell Bevell is the dummy who didn't run Marshawn Lynch from the one yard line in the Superbowl. Kliff Kingsbury's offenses fell apart at Arizona after the midpoint of the season. So a hard pass on those dudes for sure.

I'd be willing to talk to Joe Brady. There's only so much coordinating you can do without a quarterback or the running back you built your attack round (since CMC was always hurt.)

I'd like to get some younger blood than Caldwell.

Never liked Darrell Bevell. He didn't get in the way of a HOF QB and a great defense.

Kingsbury is a goddamn joke.

I would be interested in Greg Roman's perspective, at least. Just because he wasn't the right guy for LJ in 2022, LJ still won a league MVP under his playcalling just a couple of years ago.

Reich would be a great choice. So would Brian Johnson. Monken would be a consolation prize for me.

Other guys I'd want to talk to: David Shaw, former Stanford Coach. Brian Hartline, PGC/WR Coach Ohio State. Very well regarded. Duce Staley, who's a key figure on Detroit's staff. Tee Martin, Ravens WR coach who has done a ton of good coaching in his career. Saints OL Coach Doug Marrone, who's been both an NFL Head Coach and Coordinator. 49ers QB Coach Brian Griese, because it's poetic.

[Al Bundy]

Dave Canales Seahawks QB Coach

[Selmon Rules]

I would be talking to Johnson if only to find out how he would want to construct an offense if Trask is indeed the plan for 2023.

[King Bootz]

I would be talking to Johnson if only to find out how he would want to construct an offense if Trask is indeed the plan for 2023.

Same as last year, seems our plan will be crawling on all fours to Tom Brady & his agent pleading him to come back.

[Doctor]

I wouldn't make an absolute deal breaker that the OC would totally take Brady if/when Brady gets rejected by SF, but it's not hard to argue that Brady could very well be our best option going into 2023.

I'd definitely prefer an OC that is open to that as we are likely to hire the OC before Brady makes any choice on his future.

[Primeminister]

I wouldn't make an absolute deal breaker that the OC would totally take Brady if/when Brady gets rejected by SF, but it's not hard to argue that Brady could very well be our best option going into 2023.

I'd definitely prefer an OC that is open to that as we are likely to hire the OC before Brady makes any choice on his future.

I just want a great OC & if he wants Brady then cool, but if not then I’m okay with that.

[Selmon Rules]

I wouldn't make an absolute deal breaker that the OC would totally take Brady if/when Brady gets rejected by SF, but it's not hard to argue that Brady could very well be our best option going into 2023.

I'd definitely prefer an OC that is open to that as we are likely to hire the OC before Brady makes any choice on his future.

I just want a great OC & if he wants Brady then cool, but if not then I’m okay with that.

This.... Get a good OC and go from there

[MJW]

I would be talking to Johnson if only to find out how he would want to construct an offense if Trask is indeed the plan for 2023.

Same as last year, seems our plan will be crawling on all fours to Tom Brady & his agent pleading him to come back.

I do not want Brady back, for a number of reasons. In no particular order:

- He did not seem invested for large chunks of this past season, and it showed.
- Similar point but slightly different - stuff like the "skipping walkthroughs to go to parties" thing rubbed me the wrong damn way.
- It's entirely possible that his physical abilities simply are what they are, and the bad games will become even more frequent no matter what's around him.
- This is the point that everyone has been fixating on, which there's no need to hash out again right now: there's simply very little reason to think we'll even be AS good as we were this past year, much less better. Brady deserves to go out in January, not Thanksgiving. We can't give him that.
- And, in that same vein, it's time to look ahead. That can mean whatever you want it to mean, except that I'm saying Tom Brady will not be here the next time our window opens. I'd rather start looking for someone who might. Or at worst, use the cap space we're talking about to keep some of the other players who might. I'd also like to see what Trask can do with first team reps and a scheme built to benefit him.

FWIW, I do not think there's much chance Brady even considers coming back. It seemed a lot like he didn't want to be here last year, but Arians held the leverage and didn't want him to play elsewhere. And some of his decisions sure looked like a guy who didn't want to be here.

[13F11B]

Just read an article about the OC search. To be honest it has me very worried about keeping Bowles. More than I was last week.

Todd Bowles will get one chance to remold his staff as he sees fit. Expectations should be tempered for a man who, by several data points, maintained one of the most conservative approaches of any head coach in 2022. This will also be his fifth offensive coordinator in six total seasons as a head coach.

I had not realized that Bowles had that much turnover with OCs. Here is a link to the full article.

[Snake]

A fish rots from the head down.

Maybe leftwich was the neck.

[Doctor]

Just read an article about the OC search. To be honest it has me very worried about keeping Bowles. More than I was last week.

Todd Bowles will get one chance to remold his staff as he sees fit. Expectations should be tempered for a man who, by several data points, maintained one of the most conservative approaches of any head coach in 2022. This will also be his fifth offensive coordinator in six total seasons as a head coach.

I had not realized that Bowles had that much turnover with OCs. Here is a link to the full article.

To be fair, one retired and another wasn't his OC pick to begin with. Only two, could you truly say were poor hires.

I don't know why but it also seems harder for defensive HC to find offensive counterparts than vice versa. Thinking of all the "Dungy defense" years that went nowhere. Or that mess Flores had in Miami with "co-OCs". Honestly, after accounting for Brady, even the great Bill Bellichicks OCs look mighty suspect.

- Bowles went with a tried and true Chan Gailey for his OC and it wasn't too bad the first year, but then Gaily up and retired after the second.
- He went with Chris Morton from the Sean Payton tree the next year. But Morton had clashes with both players and coaches, in particular, Bowles wanted to run the ball more but Morton was too pass-happy (sound familiar?)
- His final OC there was our buddy Jeremy Bates but they all got shown the door after tanking for savior Sam Darnold proved not to be the magic bullet.

And of course his first year here he didn't pick his own staff. Obvious to say, but this is clearly the most important hire of Bowles career right now.

[13F11B]

And of course his first year here he didn't pick his own staff. Obvious to say, but this is clearly the most important hire of Bowles career right now.

IMHO I would not have retained Bowles and Bowles would not be making a decision on OC right now.

[Doctor]

From what I can tell from interviews the players very much love and respect Bowles. He still commands a whole lot of loyalty in that locker room and firing him would not have gone over well.

He just needs an offensive counterpart.

[nybf]

Yes, it's very surprising that players who are expected to come back next year aren't grabbing mics and yelling "fuck Todd Bowles" into them.

[Heisenberg]

From what I can tell from interviews the players very much love and respect Bowles. He still commands a whole lot of loyalty in that locker room and firing him would not have gone over well.

He just needs an offensive counterpart.

Ya cause theyre gonna say he sucks in interviews.

[MJW]

From what I can tell from interviews the players very much love and respect Bowles. He still commands a whole lot of loyalty in that locker room and firing him would not have gone over well.

He just needs an offensive counterpart.

That's cool they should express that by playing better for him.

[MJW]

Have the Buccaneers actually had any confirmed interviews for the job yet? Seems like every other team with a coordinator opening is having them. Or do we already have someone (presumably, from the Eagles, 49ers, Bengals, or Chiefs) on a handshake deal?

[13F11B]

I'd definitely prefer an OC that is open to that as we are likely to hire the OC before Brady makes any choice on his future.

The Buccaneers need to make an OC hire before Brady makes up his mind unless Brady does that in the next 3-4 days. I do not want to sit on the sidelines frozen in place waiting for him to make a decision.

[MJW]

I'd definitely prefer an OC that is open to that as we are likely to hire the OC before Brady makes any choice on his future.

The Buccaneers need to make an OC hire before Brady makes up his mind unless Brady does that in the next 3-4 days. I do not want to sit on the sidelines frozen in place waiting for him to make a decision.

Hot Take: We should not make a decision on a hire that will last multiple years based on the wishes of a player who might be here 1 year. Those are the kinds of things bad franchises do.

I don't want Brady back, for reasons stated various places. But if he does come back, he shouldn't get to dictate our hiring. We should hire the best OC we can find who will be here for the long haul (or whatever the equivalent of that is in the NFL.) Brady should have no problem working with a guy who's good at coordinating an offense, right?

[13F11B]

I don't want Brady back, for reasons stated various places. But if he does come back, he shouldn't get to dictate our hiring. We should hire the best OC we can find who will be here for the long haul (or whatever the equivalent of that is in the NFL.) Brady should have no problem working with a guy who's good at coordinating an offense, right?

Given that Brady video of the 49ers game...

A) If Brady was the reason for the lackluster emotional malaise the team was in then I do not want him back unless the OC can kick his ass into next week and bench him.

B) If Brady was not the reason and he was honestly trying to motivate people then Bowles needs to go as well. That was a sorry-ass excuse for a team I saw in that video. I had more fucking emotion watching that game then the team showed. (Bucs management -- feel free to show the players this comment. God, that was disgusting to watch.)

[nybf]

You think a new OC would bench Brady because of attitude.

You should probably claim that post was also edited by admin without your knowledge or permission.

[13F11B]

You think a new OC would bench Brady because of attitude.

You should probably claim that post was also edited by admin without your knowledge or permission.

I wrote what I meant. Period. What you interpreted is on you.

What the fuck are you babbling about admin editing posts? I am not Bootz.

[nybf]

You think a new OC would bench Brady because of attitude.

You should probably claim that post was also edited by admin without your knowledge or permission.

I wrote what I meant. Period. What you interpreted is on you.

What the fuck are you babbling about admin editing posts? I am not Bootz.

Just like when you wrote Leftwich was r fired because of racism but then realized it never said anything remotely close to that in the story.

*sigh* were gonna keep playing that stupid fucking game where you didn't flame out on BZ because you thought the admin there, with help from the Chinese, was secretly editing your posts?