Welcome new OC Dave Canales!

[BucsNBills]

Surprised we let him leave without a deal in place.

[Doctor]

We're probably waiting in line for Brian Johnson like everyone else.

[Miller4Prez64]

Surprised we let him leave without a deal in place.

Don’t most interviews happen over zoom these days? I doubt that the Glazers are paying to fly these guys out to OBP for an OC interview.

[Doctor]

[Babeinbucland]

If Monken comes back it will speak well of this organization. If he is offered the job and turns it down, well, that says something as well. Of course, we may never know if the latter happens.

[Sdbucs]

Monken comes here - accomplishes nothing
Goes to the browns - accomplishes nothing

Goes to a top team in CFB - wins

So if Raheem Morris went and got a coaching gig at Alabama and they won the CFB, would you want him back? I don’t understand.

This guy is obviously just the recipient of having the best players in CFB at his disposal. He already failed here. Why does anybody want him back????

Are we just going to revert to being a failure of an organization again? Are our 2/3 years of competing over?

Holy fuck please anybody but this guy

[King Bootz]

Monken comes here - accomplishes nothing
Goes to the browns - accomplishes nothing

Goes to a top team in CFB - wins

So if Raheem Morris went and got a coaching gig at Alabama and they won the CFB, would you want him back? I don’t understand.

This guy is obviously just the recipient of having the best players in CFB at his disposal. He already failed here. Why does anybody want him back????

Are we just going to revert to being a failure of an organization again? Are our 2/3 years of competing over?

Holy fuck please anybody but this guy

Because he called plays for a game that we scored 40 points. So obviously that'll happen every game.

[_MB_]

If it's Monken, it'll be Baker, Bennett (rookie), and Trask in training camp.

That's about as cheap as it gets for a quarterback room.

[13F11B]

With Tom retired... are we going to find out by Friday that Bowles is gone too? I am guessing the answer will be yes.

[Cheb]

With Tom retired... are we going to find out by Friday that Bowles is gone too? I am guessing the answer will be yes.

Why would they fire him at this point? Just because Tom retired?

No way. All the hot HC candidates are spoken for. At this point either Bowles proves that he can coach up this squad without Brady and thus earn confidence moving forward with him, or we blow it up next season if/when he fails.

[MJW]

We interviewed Ronald Curry, currently part of the Saints staff.

[Snake]

I’d almost prefer someone out of left field. Better chance it was a deep dive instead of low hanging obvious fruit.

[The Outsider]

Monken comes here - accomplishes nothing
Goes to the browns - accomplishes nothing

Goes to a top team in CFB - wins

So if Raheem Morris went and got a coaching gig at Alabama and they won the CFB, would you want him back? I don’t understand.

This guy is obviously just the recipient of having the best players in CFB at his disposal. He already failed here. Why does anybody want him back????

Are we just going to revert to being a failure of an organization again? Are our 2/3 years of competing over?

Holy fuck please anybody but this guy

I would unironically take Morris back as a DC for sure and potentially even as a HC. At the time that he was our HC it was clear that he wasn't there yet but there were a lot of things to like about him as a leader. I recall the players seeming to hold him in high regard. And hell, he had the best single season out of all of our coaches between Gruden and Arians. And he did it with probably less talent than Schiano, Lovie, or Koetter ever had.

[13F11B]

With Tom retired... are we going to find out by Friday that Bowles is gone too? I am guessing the answer will be yes.

Why would they fire him at this point? Just because Tom retired?

I am more thinking he was retained with the thought that if Tom came back there would be some continuity. At this point, that is no longer a concern. If Buccaneers brass now feels there is no need for that they might decide to move on.

No way. All the hot HC candidates are spoken for. At this point either Bowles proves that he can coach up this squad without Brady and thus earn confidence moving forward with him, or we blow it up next season if/when he fails.

All the hot HC candidates? There are likely some still coaching, yes?

[Four Verticals]

With Tom retired... are we going to find out by Friday that Bowles is gone too? I am guessing the answer will be yes.

That's going to be a bad guess.

[13F11B]

With Tom retired... are we going to find out by Friday that Bowles is gone too? I am guessing the answer will be yes.

That's going to be a bad guess.

I am OK with bad guesses. Part of life.

[13F11B]

Good read -- https://sports.yahoo.com/buccaneers-fac ... 37709.html

[GreatTimes]

Good read -- https://sports.yahoo.com/buccaneers-fac ... 37709.html

Good article with solid points. The Bucs defense was solid especially considering how inept the offense was, even with Brady. But the woefulness of the offensive line was not addressed in the article. The Bucs need to move on from #76 while saving some cap space, even if that means trading up to get a solid LT in the draft.

[Sdbucs]

Our defense was not good, not even solid.

When we won our SB, our D was creating turnovers.

How many did we have this season? 2?

We definitely had to be in the lower quadrant of the league in terms of turnover rate

[Sdbucs]

We went from #5 and #6 in turnovers 2021/2022 to #24 in 2022

Garbage.

[MJW]

Our defense was not good, not even solid.

When we won our SB, our D was creating turnovers.

How many did we have this season? 2?

We definitely had to be in the lower quadrant of the league in terms of turnover rate

We allowed 27.4 PPG against 2022 playoff teams, a number that looks even worse without the extreme outlier of the 3 point opening week, which the Cowboys later avenged.

[BucsNBills]

Our defense was not good, not even solid.

When we won our SB, our D was creating turnovers.

How many did we have this season? 2?

We definitely had to be in the lower quadrant of the league in terms of turnover rate

We allowed 27.4 PPG against 2022 playoff teams, a number that looks even worse without the extreme outlier of the 3 point opening week, which the Cowboys later avenged.

Bowles is not a good leader of men. He has zero charisma. He doesn't give off that McVay like energy. He offers nothing to the offense. And his defense has always been suspect at best, and this year just plain bad when it actually mattered.

Sooo.....Todd Bowles....

[mdb1958]

We went from #5 and #6 in turnovers 2021/2022 to #24 in 2022

Garbage.

Some due to film study and players talking is my guess. 20 takeaway's and 22 giveaway's.
All while playing broken.
A film study guy like Nobody could show all of our defensive holding penalty's and then find 200 more that were never called league wide.
Those are the times where our earhole hears the announcer say "ehh I think they may have gotten away with one".

The magic times it's caught and the magic times it isnt..

[_MB_]

We allowed 27.4 PPG against 2022 playoff teams, a number that looks even worse without the extreme outlier of the 3 point opening week, which the Cowboys later avenged.

Bowles is not a good leader of men. He has zero charisma. He doesn't give off that McVay like energy. He offers nothing to the offense. And his defense has always been suspect at best, and this year just plain bad when it actually mattered.

Sooo.....Todd Bowles....

Is that what leaders of men need? Charisma?

[13F11B]

The longer it takes to name an OC the more likely I think it is that Bowles is shown the door.

[Snake]

The longer it takes to name an OC the more likely I think it is that Bowles is shown the door.

No chance, brother.

[Grahamburn]

Greg Roman. Draft Richardson #19. Fight me.

[Doctor]

Our defense was not good, not even solid.

When we won our SB, our D was creating turnovers.

How many did we have this season? 2?

We definitely had to be in the lower quadrant of the league in terms of turnover rate

Our defense has strengths and weaknesses like every defense. It has an ebb and flow.

It's a shoot out defense that uses the clock as a weapon. Now before you say "well all defenses are good when you're offense puts up 30 ppg", that's not true.
How many absolutely dominant offense have ended up falling short because of leaky defenses couldn't hang in a shoot out? Bowles grave diggers were the perfect compliment to Arians. The more you abandon the run and short passes and pushed it down field the more you feed our defense strength. It snowballs and can straight bury you. And they really just need a small lead to really take it from there.

You want to create a sense of panic in the opponents offense that lasts all game. Our sweet spots tho are the second halfs of the 2nd and 4th quarters. This is why starting fast is so crucial. You just need a small lead, enough to make the other team want to really push before the half. Nothing neuters this defense more than a opponent happy take it to the half.

But if they are not happy, the running clock and a healthy pass rush tend to set up our opportunistic players up for a turn over. Usually with good field position and enough time for us to get some points of our own before the half, further increasing our lead and empowing our defense.
"Points off a turn over before the half" is our go to power move, our first nail in the coffin. Everything funnels into triggering that event.
The final nail comes during a similar series of events plays out in the 4th.

This is a good defense. A game winning defense. A chip winning defense. It just needs a complimentary offense. And it doesn't need to be a Arians 30-burger one either. Just one that can start fast, trigger the snowballs, and close out.

[BucsNBills]

Greg Roman. Draft Richardson #19. Fight me.

You willing to trade up for Richardson in order to see that plan through?

[Cheb]

Our defense was not good, not even solid.

When we won our SB, our D was creating turnovers.

How many did we have this season? 2?

We definitely had to be in the lower quadrant of the league in terms of turnover rate

Our defense has strengths and weaknesses like every defense. It has an ebb and flow.

It's a shoot out defense that uses the clock as a weapon. Now before you say "well all defenses are good when you're offense puts up 30 ppg", that's not true.
How many absolutely dominant offense have ended up falling short because of leaky defenses couldn't hang in a shoot out? Bowles grave diggers were the perfect compliment to Arians. The more you abandon the run and short passes and pushed it down field the more you feed our defense strength. It snowballs and can straight bury you. And they really just need a small lead to really take it from there.

You want to create a sense of panic in the opponents offense that lasts all game. Our sweet spots tho are the second halfs of the 2nd and 4th quarters. This is why starting fast is so crucial. You just need a small lead, enough to make the other team want to really push before the half. Nothing neuters this defense more than a opponent happy take it to the half.

But if they are not happy, the running clock and a healthy pass rush tend to set up our opportunistic players up for a turn over. Usually with good field position and enough time for us to get some points of our own before the half, further increasing our lead and empowing our defense.
"Points off a turn over before the half" is our go to power move, our first nail in the coffin. Everything funnels into triggering that event.
The final nail comes during a similar series of events plays out in the 4th.

This is a good defense. A game winning defense. A chip winning defense. It just needs a complimentary offense. And it doesn't need to be a Arians 30-burger one either. Just one that can start fast, trigger the snowballs, and close out.

I agree.

It's hard for a defense to play aggressively when the offense can't get a lead. It's even harder when the offense can't run the ball to control the pace of the game.

In the former scenario, one gets hesitant to take chances with blitzes and trap coverages and other risky tactical decisions because you have no margin for error if/when they backfire. In the latter situation, a defense runs the risk of being on the field the majority of the game, leading to physical fatigue which opens the door to mental errors which allows large gains and points.

Our defense this last year was pretty good despite getting little to no help from the offense. Not bad for playing damage control the majority of the time.

[Grahamburn]

Agree. The reason turnovers were down so much this season is Bowles was never really able to sick the dogs on anyone.

[Grahamburn]

Greg Roman. Draft Richardson #19. Fight me.

You willing to trade up for Richardson in order to see that plan through?

No, but I do find it to be a somewhat interesting plan if a team was willing to commit to it the way the Ravens did.

[BucsNBills]

You willing to trade up for Richardson in order to see that plan through?

No, but I do find it to be a somewhat interesting plan if a team was willing to commit to it the way the Ravens did.

I mean he helped Jackson get an MVP, so I'm not against the idea. Jackson had similar concerns coming into the league with accuracy and processing.

Evans and Godwin would be good fits for his offense as well given how much run blocking they do.

If anyone could get max value out of someone like Richardson year 1 it would be Greg Roman.

I've yet to hear his name in the OC circuit either and honestly we may not be in the position to be too picky..

[Nobody]

I looked at Monken’s offense at GA a little bit. I saw:

* A lot of Split Zone runs (Zone one way where you bring a TE or WR underneath the formation to kick out the backside End). That is a fit for Godwin and our move TEs and White’s vision. Also designed Cutbacks off this.

* Zone runs + Pin and Pull on the edge.

* A LOT of Play-action.

* A lot of Screen variation (HB and perimeter) and counters off of them.

* A lot of Wide Stacks and 11 personnel.

* A lot of Jet motion and action off of it (including their Split Zone run game).

* A lot of pre-snap motion and shifts.

* A lot of 3 verts + Over or Under route + HB route opposite the Over/Under.

* Some RPO.

[BucsNBills]

I looked at Monken’s offense at GA a little bit. I saw:

* A lot of Split Zone runs (Zone one way where you bring a TE or WR underneath the formation to kick out the backside End). That is a fit for Godwin and our move TEs and White’s vision. Also designed Cutbacks off this.

* Zone runs + Pin and Pull on the edge.

* A LOT of Play-action.

* A lot of Screen variation (HB and perimeter) and counters off of them.

* A lot of Wide Stacks and 11 personnel.

* A lot of Jet motion and action off of it (including their Split Zone run game).

* A lot of pre-snap motion and shifts.

* A lot of 3 verts + Over or Under route + HB route opposite the Over/Under.

* Some RPO.

Sounds like a modern offense.

I'll forever be perplexed that we had Brady, who was literally the highest graded passer from PA passing, but we decided to use PA the fewest times in the league.

it would be akin to having Lamar Jackson as your QB and being the offense with the fewest designed QB runs.

Unforgivable malpractice.