Should Bowles and Leftwich be fired?

[Heisenberg]

Someone else probably already shared this, but it is a travesty if this is what Brady had to deal with. Not only did the cowboys manage an amazing pass rush, they somehow managed to cover our talented WRs in this high flying offensive scheme with some backup DBs. Every positive play came with so much struggle, no wonder it was hard to watch.

Was literally about to comment how it seems our guys are almost never remotely open. As I’ve been saying, lefty has no understanding of this stuff. Doesn’t know how to scheme, create space etc. Like someone was saying above, this seasons offense only worked when Brady was perfect. About every Godwin reception hes threading the needle.

[Heisenberg]

PR now reporting Bucs are gonna overhaul the offensive staff, not just OC.

https://www.pewterreport.com/bucs-make- ... ing-staff/

[Doctor]

That seems like a given. We'll likely give the new OC free range to bring in their own staff.

[Jonny]

PR now reporting Bucs are gonna overhaul the offensive staff, not just OC.

https://www.pewterreport.com/bucs-make- ... ing-staff/

Why would a competent OC and offensive staff want to join a head coach with no good track record of success though? They are hitching their job security to the Bowles wagon, which has the possibility of sustaining for one more year maybe. The Glazers seem to be going for a safe middle approach, which will likely bomb in their faces. When it comes to coaches, there should be no consideration of fairness to the coach. Stick to the gut feeling and pull the plug. Every season matters. Even a rebuilding year. If we do convince a competent offensive mind to join, and they do turn things around, they will be instant HC material after 2023 season and we will risk being back to Bowles only.

[13F11B]

PR now reporting Bucs are gonna overhaul the offensive staff, not just OC.

https://www.pewterreport.com/bucs-make- ... ing-staff/

Why would a competent OC and offensive staff want to join a head coach with no good track record of success though? They are hitching their job security to the Bowles wagon, which has the possibility of sustaining for one more year maybe. The Glazers seem to be going for a safe middle approach, which will likely bomb in their faces. When it comes to coaches, there should be no consideration of fairness to the coach. Stick to the gut feeling and pull the plug. Every season matters. Even a rebuilding year. If we do convince a competent offensive mind to join, and they do turn things around, they will be instant HC material after 2023 season and we will risk being back to Bowles only.

Not only that, but an unproven coach is going to be on the hotseat (assuming he does not get fired). Any competent OC candidate would likely tell the Glazers, "You can hire me as head coach or I will keep looking for other opportunities."

[BucsNBills]

And if we do find a really good OC that dramatically shifts the trajectory of our offense, how long does he last as the OC here before being poached for a HC gig? That's why hiring a defensive HC in the modern era is dumb.

[Buc2]

So, what? Just keep everybody then? I mean, by y'alls logic, if a good OC is just gonna be poached if he succeeds here, it won't matter who the HC is. Right? So, keep Bowles, and hire a good OC only to see him poached. Or get a new HC and a good OC only to see him poached. Makes no difference to hear you guys talk. So, lose, lose. smh

[Digital_Damage]

PR now reporting Bucs are gonna overhaul the offensive staff, not just OC.

https://www.pewterreport.com/bucs-make- ... ing-staff/

Scapegoats to buy themselves another year and control the scheme.

Get ready for the Run, Run, incomplete pass, punt; buc ball we used to all love so much...

[Doctor]

So, what? Just keep everybody then? I mean, by y'alls logic, if a good OC is just gonna be poached if he succeeds here, it won't matter who the HC is. Right? So, keep Bowles, and hire a good OC only to see him poached. Or get a new HC and a good OC only to see him poached. Makes no difference to hear you guys talk. So, lose, lose. smh

"Why bother with anything, we're just going to suck anyway, let's just quit and get the top pick" energy is peak right now

[Nobody]

@Doctor , you are completely manufacturing this “Brady was the primary gameplanner/play-caller.”

What is your evidence of that? What receipts do you have whatsoever to support this assertion?

Also
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesco ... 061744/amp

The Tampa Bay Buccaneers have allowed quarterback Tom Brady to call the offensive plays for weeks, head coach Bruce Arians told NFL Network's Michael Silver.

"We call what he picks, we just have to get better," Silver said Monday while relaying his conversation with Arians on "The Aftermath."

Byron Leftwich is the offensive coordinator for Tampa Bay, and Arians also has plenty of experience calling plays. But the second-year head coach said Brady has been choosing what gets called during the week, in the huddle, and at the line of scrimmage.

Ok, that is pretty much what I thought you were doing.

You took some media-manipulating, intentionally nebulous yet relatively benign statement that is meant to generate a narrative to project a message that Arians wants out there (a message about protecting his interests (his "guys" or his locker-room or his legacy typically). You took that statement and you extrapolated the hell out of it. Now you're using that undeserved extrapolation as a primary input for your mental model going forward; smuggling it in as a prior for all future extrapolations and inferences (and downstream of that, "takes").

This is a nothingburger statement you have above (and its intended to do just what it did with you).

At all_levels_of_play from High School forward, offenses that are QB-centered feature some level of QB curation of the playbook broadly and the weekly playcall pool specifically. During offseason and during gameplanning, QBs will get with relevant coaching staff and they'll have some say of "like that, like that, don't like that, like that, don't like that" etc etc. Coaching will then use that as an input to their own curation of the playbook for the season and the gameplan for the coming opponent. In essence:

"We call what he picks" in the most zoomed out, abstracted sense possible.

Tom Brady is not Jim Kelly or Peyton Manning (in fact...he historically catches hell for this and its why a not-insignificant chunk of his peers have expressed that they feel that Manning is the superior player or at least the more feared player; Manning "called his own plays" and has had virtually complete audible authority throughout the bulk of his career). Brady is not coming up to the line of scrimmage and "calling his own plays." He doesn't remotely have complete audible authority to just expand the playbook infinitely and do whatever the hell he wants at the line of scrimmage (and I'm pretty sure that exact, dumbass question was asked of Coach Bowles early in the season and he basically confirmed it). He'll have some protection authority and a level of check authority (where he can switch from a closed side run to an open side or a Smoke against stupidly Off coverage or a Sneak on "& inches" in some situations) just like the Center can basically change things subtly (like turn a Duo call into an Inside Zone or change protection). Brady isn't dictating 12/21 (depending upon how you qualify Kieft on a given play) personnel on 1st and 10, midway through the 1st quarter, and having unilateral authority to decide whether to call the Split-Zone or Duo Lead run w/ Godwin in short motion into the formation or abandon that for whatever the eff he wants. Or at least, there is no evidence for that...at all. And what evidence we have (like statements about audible authority and answers) just affirm the default situation with any veteran QB of any consequence.

In no-huddle scenarios where time is a decisive factor (end of half) and every second counts? Yes, QBs will have a considerably increased amount of say in terms of "calling their own plays." You can more or less invert what happens during the week; the coach will give them input on the sidelines before the QB takes the field (concepts, discuss a handful of plays situationally & against looks that the coach likes etc).

That is the default for QBs and coaches relationships. What you've got above is not even close to some kind of "smoking gun" that Brady is "calling his own plays" or has "complete audible authority." Its a total nothingburger statement meant to provoke exactly what you did; overextrapolation (because you don't know what he's saying nor the clear manipulative intent of the message given his history on things like this; if a message is being stirred up that puts one of "his guys" in the crosshairs...defenestrate it through targeted, subtle, and sufficiently nebulous statements just like this) by either journalists or fans to take heat off of one of "his guys" by putting it on someone else who has total immunity or who is irrelevant (so he doesn't have to worry about said heat).

Arians is absolutely a straight-shooter in the locker-room and with his kin-extended. To the media? Almost everything he says is manipulation just like this. Dude is savvy as hell because he knows that he'll get someone to do just like you have done here; take a nothingburger statement > expand and extrapolate wildly from it > use that to generate a completely unwarranted mental model and subsequent narrative in the wild. That is a credit to him as a coach (and his "guys" and his locker-rooms absolutely know he does this for them).

[Doctor]

So they have repeated this in PC, interviews, media segments, and everything over and over and over again.... and you don't watch any of it.
I actually go and find you a snippet in black and white so you can see for yourself that these are in fact things that have been said and you have chosen to:

1) continue to ignore and remain ignorant of anything our team actually says about how they do things
2) presume that since you don't care to listen, it doesn't exist
3) presume that a sample that was kindly produced for you is rare, out-of-context outlier and that is over extrapolated

You can lead a horse to water...

[Nobody]

So they have repeated this in PC, interviews, media segments, and everything over and over and over again.... and you don't watch any of it.
I actually go and find you a snippet in black and white so you can see for yourself that these are in fact things that have been said and you have chosen to:

1) continue to ignore and remain ignorant of anything our team actually says about how they do things
2) presume that since you don't care to listen, it doesn't exist
3) presume that a sample that was kindly produced for you is rare, out-of-context outlier and that is over extrapolated

You can lead a horse to water...

Garbage.

I have listened to the exact same stuff you've listened to. Every post game and weekly press conference. Myriad interview spots in the offseason or during the weak with NFL show x or Rando celebrity sports show y.

I have listened to it all. I knew the sort of statements you were referring to and I knew you had taken them and run just the way you did. You're not leading a horse to water. You are the horse. Arians led you to the water of his choosing. You drank deeply of it.

I mean...and this isn't that difficult. Look at the relative lack of communication and signaling that takes place on virtually every play we run. Contrast that with Peyton Manning. There is a gaping chasm of a difference. Why? One player is effectively "dictating personnel groupings sitautionally and in total" and one player is "calling their own plays". Same as Jim Kelly's K-Gun offense.

[Doctor]

I'm sorry but you're full of shit. You start with your conclusion and work backward. And now you've brought up this ridiculous goalpost of "Well Manning use to do A, B, and C at the line. Brady is more A, C, D, E. Therefore he's not like Manning, therefore he doesn't have control".

I repeatedly say on here that despite people like you who believe there is one "right" way to do things and if you aren't doing it that one way you are wrong there are actually many ways to skin a cat in the NFL. It isn't do it like Manning or bust. Not to mention the actual degree to how "Manning did Manning" is itself overblown according to guys like Rodgers but that's for another time.

This system is archaic and can't work in the modern NFL
Ends up being one of the best offenses in the league

Bruce Arians system NEEDS a strong arm, he'll never go for Brady
Actually, based on Bruce's own writings, strong arm is almost never mentioned. Brady was at the top of his list

He is forcing Brady to run plays Brady can't run and doesn't like
Bruce's writings tells us that literally the opposite of his entire philosophy of coaching. Brady goes on to have his best offense years.

They are forcing him to throw
Repeated interviews state how Brady will typically have three plays on him (2 passes and a run) and selects from there based on what he see's

And my new favorite...
Brady doesn't have that authority/ Brady is being bullied by ___

Yes... we all of the sudden decided to get away from all that... because Bowles and Byron are drooling idiots that decided to reverse everything that's got them here.... the same playbook that has been whittled down and tailored to Brady.... with gameplans and play call selections prepared by the same sous-chef... picked by the same QB... that led to those great offenses... we went back and reverse all that and "force" bad plays and playcalls on poor Brady.

Oh, and everyone is lying! Can't forget that. Everyone is lying, lying about how things are done, lying about who does what, lying about what they are trying to do, lying about letting Brady cook, lying about how they feel about their coaches, lying about everything....

The lynchpin of all these childlike takes and solutions is that everyone else at OBP is lying, but it's okay, because you know the truth.

[Doctor]

Brady, who apparently had the power to remove HOF and ROH HC Bruce Arians, is being bullied by NFL icon and power broker Byron Leftwich.

Give me a fucking break.

[Snake]

Brady, who apparently had the power to remove HOF and ROH HC Bruce Arians, is being bullied by NFL icon and power broker Byron Leftwich.

Give me a fucking break.

Bullied? Not really. It’s just chain of command. He didn’t get along with Arians. It seems he got along with Leftwich though. Maybe personality conflicts on the former.

[Doctor]

No one in their right mind is going to pretend the GOAT with more experience than most coaches falls into a traditional "chain of command".
The QB coach isn't telling Brady to do sprints.

And we openly acknowledge Brady's specialness when we talk about bringing in guys like AB and Gronk, and again, the entire Arians retirement sage.... but as soon as he sucks on the field he's all of a sudden just some player at the bottom of the chain of command.

Until something good happens.

[Nobody]

I'm sorry but you're full of shit. You start with your conclusion and work backward. And now you've brought up this ridiculous goalpost of "Well Manning use to do A, B, and C at the line. Brady is more A, C, D, E. Therefore he's not like Manning, therefore he doesn't have control".

I repeatedly say on here that despite people like you who believe there is one "right" way to do things and if you aren't doing it that one way you are wrong there are actually many ways to skin a cat in the NFL. It isn't do it like Manning or bust. Not to mention the actual degree to how "Manning did Manning" is itself overblown according to guys like Rodgers but that's for another time.

This system is archaic and can't work in the modern NFL
Ends up being one of the best offenses in the league

Bruce Arians system NEEDS a strong arm, he'll never go for Brady
Actually, based on Bruce's own writings, strong arm is almost never mentioned. Brady was at the top of his list

He is forcing Brady to run plays Brady can't run and doesn't like
Bruce's writings tells us that literally the opposite of his entire philosophy of coaching. Brady goes on to have his best offense years.

They are forcing him to throw
Repeated interviews state how Brady will typically have three plays on him (2 passes and a run) and selects from there based on what he see's

And my new favorite...
Brady doesn't have that authority/ Brady is being bullied by ___

Yes... we all of the sudden decided to get away from all that... because Bowles and Byron are drooling idiots that decided to reverse everything that's got them here.... the same playbook that has been whittled down and tailored to Brady.... with gameplans and play call selections prepared by the same sous-chef... picked by the same QB... that led to those great offenses... we went back and reverse all that and "force" bad plays and playcalls on poor Brady.

Oh, and everyone is lying! Can't forget that. Everyone is lying, lying about how things are done, lying about who does what, lying about what they are trying to do, lying about letting Brady cook, lying about how they feel about their coaches, lying about everything....

The lynchpin of all these childlike takes and solutions is that everyone else at OBP is lying, but it's okay, because you know the truth.

Don't charge me or involve me with arguments I haven't made. Don't reduce my arguments to little digestible caricatures. And don't cast me on one side of an argument that I'm not on. Statements in order, with respect to me:

* Complete reduction to digestible caricature.

* Never, ever made that statement. In fact, so far as I know, I've disputed this notion before anyone else did. And I was 100 % first on the "Brady (a) isn't washed and (b) will flourish here" train.

* Never made that statement. No clue what you're talking about.

* Forcing Brady to throw? No clue what you're talking about. Never made this statement.

* Don't twist it. Brady isn't "bullied." My position is that its 100 % orthodox handling of these situations and you've completely misread an abstraction of that reality...and you haven't come close to a sufficient network of evidence to prove your extraordinary claim; "Brady is basically the Offensive Coordinator for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers."

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So here is a statement this year from AHC and Run-Game Coordinator Harold Goodwin when asked about our usage rate of our historically staple running play, 22/23 Double:

“It’s in there. I can’t control what the play-caller calls,” said Bucs assistant head coach and run game coordinator Harold Goodwin. “But it’s in there every week. It’s basically our base play. You start with that to create everything you do in the run game, from play-action passes to what we’re doing running-wise.

“We have it in there. We have a lot of runs. It’s just whether we get to them or not. It’s how the play-caller is feeling. It’s my favorite play by far because we’ve have a lot of success with it. It just depends on whether Byron is feeling like calling it that day or not. I can’t control that.”

Why would he refer to "the play-caller" and then "Byron <feeling like calling it or not>" later? This is as straight-forward and as specific a statement as we will see on this affair...and as inside a person as it gets...who just so happens to be possessed of the most clear and straight-forward (eg no manipulation of the media via omission or gross abstraction) elocution of anyone in all of One Buc Place on anything (contrast with the "speak words but say absolutely nothing" approach of Brady, Leftwich, Bowles et al).

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You can have the last word because this entire conversation is absolute clown shoes and spinning bow ties. I don't get involved in these boards for these kinds of ridiculous exchanges.

[Snake]

No one in their right mind is going to pretend the GOAT with more experience than most coaches falls into a traditional "chain of command".
The QB coach isn't telling Brady to do sprints.

And we openly acknowledge Brady's specialness when we talk about bringing in guys like AB and Gronk, and again, the entire Arians retirement sage.... but as soon as he sucks on the field he's all of a sudden just some player at the bottom of the chain of command.

Until something good happens.

Of course there’s still chain of command. How many times this season did Brady stay on the field extra long on 4th down only for Bowles to get him off the field?

[Doctor]

And I was 100 % first on the "Brady (a) isn't washed and (b) will flourish here" train.

The hell you were. That was a lonely hill. IIRC you were bitching about trading for Gronk just to appease Brady just so we could get 3 more wins than Winston and perhaps a playoff game. But hey, don't worry, we all came to terms during our Eat Crow thread... well, all beside you who refuse to participate while being self-admittedly awful at predictions.

Bruce's way of running an offense is VERY cohesive and cooperative. More round table, less chain of command. With the QB having a central voice... and you best believe when that QB is Brady it's a big voice. When Arians left, so did the one voice that was checking Brady at the table.

At the end of the day, if Brady wants X and Lefty wants Y, what play do you think we're running?
Do you think this is a run of the mill relationship here as if there could ever be a situation where Brady gets in trouble for "not listening to Lefty"?

Come on.



People are actually trying to avoid blaming the cook, instead blaming how the sausage is made for why the dish came out like crap.
Despite the fact that the sausage was made the exact same way when the meals were hitting.

[Nobody]

And I was 100 % first on the "Brady (a) isn't washed and (b) will flourish here" train.

The hell you were. That was a lonely hill. IIRC you were bitching about trading for Gronk just to appease Brady just so we could get 3 more wins than Winston and perhaps a playoff game. But hey, don't worry, we all came to terms during our Eat Crow thread... well, all beside you who refuse to participate while being self-admittedly awful at predictions.

Bruce's way of running an offense is VERY cohesive and cooperative. More round table, less chain of command. With the QB having a central voice... and you best believe when that QB is Brady it's a big voice. When Arians left, so did the one voice that was checking Brady at the table.

At the end of the day, if Brady wants X and Lefty wants Y, what play do you think we're running?
Do you think this is a run of the mill relationship here as if there could ever be a situation where Brady gets in trouble for "not listening to Lefty"?

Come on.



People are actually trying to avoid blaming the cook, instead blaming how the sausage is made for why the dish came out like crap.
Despite the fact that the sausage was made the exact same way when the meals were hitting.

Ok, no no no. You don't get the last word if you're going to outright lie. This is some deranged nonsense.

1) The conversation around Gronk was about OPTIMIZING OUR PROSPECTS FOR A SUPERBOWL IN 2020 WITH BRADY. How do you not remember this? You and I had a very specific conversation...and now you're misremembering it (due to faulty memory or something?). My position was Suh's money + Gronk's money + 4th round pick might be better spent elsewhere (DJ Reader? Remember that?) to optimize 2020.

2) And you're accusing me of not eating crow? I PUBLICALLY ATE CROW on (1) above. I said that it ended up being the right move because the reality we live in included a Superbowl win with that move made (Suh and Gronk and sacrificed 4th rounder vs some alternative). Reader started off hot in 2020 for Cinci but had a season-ending injury. He's dominated the last two years in Cinci and is anchoring that ascendent defense, but, thus far, all they have to show for it is a Super Bowl appearance and a Super Bowl contender this year.

3) Ok, you're seriously telling me that I didn't spend a shit-ton of time and effort breaking down Brady's 2019 tape to dispute (a) the national narrative of Brady's lost arm strength and (b) that narrative on Buczone (of which there are many, many people who intensively disputed my position on this). This is crazy! I literally spent hours_of_my_life breaking down tape to demonstrate...beyond a shadow of a doubt...that Brady's 2019 was an artifact of the situation around him and not an artifact of "flagging arm strength" and "Father Time."

This is crazy town. You're literally representing an inversion of reality. And you're doing it proudly and with aggression. Nuts!

[Snake]

I remember all of that and you’re correct.

[BucsNBills]

Who eats the blame for this putrid statistic??

[MJW]

Gonna assume the major reason people are mentioning Johnson as a potential replacement is his prior history with Trask at Florida. No thanks.

You don't think him being the QB Coach for the league's breakthrough quarterback has something to do with it? Working in one of the NFL's most dynamic offenses? Anything like that? Are the Jets planning on trading for Trask? Is that why they're targeting him for OC?

[mdb1958]

Who eats the blame for this putrid statistic??

I assure you Brady had no desire to look like Jameis with stats. Probably would have been even worse because of his lack of mobility.

[Nobody]

I wouldn't mind seeing Coach Goodwin be elevated to OC status. Every time I see and hear him speak and every time I see and hear players speak of him I get:

* Fantastic communicator to the locker room, players individually, and to the press.

* (which typically is a rider with the above) Great organizer of information in his cognitive workspace. Folks who are good at that may or may not be great at organizing logistics/support network, but they typically do well under duress (which is the situation on Sunday when you're situationally calling plays).

* A guy that obviously knows the game.

* Comes off as humble.

Those are great qualities for a HC and I'd like to see what his offense looks like. He was OL coach and Run Game Coordinator for two solid units in 2020 and 2021 (efficiency and situation-wise); 2020 # 10 DVOA Rushing and # 9 OL and 2021 # 5 DVOA Rushing and # 5 OL. There isn't enough info out there to indict him or to elevate him but I've been intrigued by him since he has been here.

[Buc2]

I wouldn't mind seeing Coach Goodwin be elevated to OC status. Every time I see and hear him speak and every time I see and hear players speak of him I get:

* Fantastic communicator to the locker room, players individually, and to the press.

* (which typically is a rider with the above) Great organizer of information in his cognitive workspace. Folks who are good at that may or may not be great at organizing logistics/support network, but they typically do well under duress (which is the situation on Sunday when you're situationally calling plays).

* A guy that obviously knows the game.

* Comes off as humble.

Those are great qualities for a HC and I'd like to see what his offense looks like. He was OL coach and Run Game Coordinator for two solid units in 2020 and 2021 (efficiency and situation-wise); 2020 # 10 DVOA Rushing and # 9 OL and 2021 # 5 DVOA Rushing and # 5 OL. There isn't enough info out there to indict him or to elevate him but I've been intrigued by him since he has been here.

I hadn't thought of that. I'd think he should at least get an interview.

[Doctor]

I’m on record hating the way Arians’ reputation was tarnished with the Brady rumors. The fans around here never appreciated that Arians’ was a fucking great coach. I remember Brady getting all the credit and even now see some fans saying the great offensive years were due to Brady overriding Arians.

This year we see what Brady looks like in this offense without Arians. No thank you.

The overall quality control took a major hit. Arians was that CEO coach and seemed to have his impact on everything. From game planning and play calling to on field discipline (penalties!), the difference has been tangible. We just didn’t have the mistakes we have now. Basically have gone from mistake free football to mistake prone football.

[BucsNBills]

You know, one point that's not mentioned much on here is how fucked it was for Arians to purposefully wait to do his succession plan so the Bucs had no choice but to roll with his crony successor.

We didn't get to conduct a real coaching search. It was basically an interim head coach situation but for some reason we're just going to continue with the interim despite him finishing below .500 in the worst division in football and getting blown out at home in a playoff game we didn't deserve to be in?

Hell, the Panthers interim coach showed more ability to coach than Bowles did and he didn't get to keep his job.

Point is, we should treat Bowles like any other interim coach because that's exactly what he is. And how many interim coaches actually keep the job after doing well, let alone being a clown show like Bowles orchestrated.

[mdb1958]

I wouldn't mind seeing Coach Goodwin be elevated to OC status. Every time I see and hear him speak and every time I see and hear players speak of him I get:

* Fantastic communicator to the locker room, players individually, and to the press.

* (which typically is a rider with the above) Great organizer of information in his cognitive workspace. Folks who are good at that may or may not be great at organizing logistics/support network, but they typically do well under duress (which is the situation on Sunday when you're situationally calling plays).

* A guy that obviously knows the game.

* Comes off as humble.

Those are great qualities for a HC and I'd like to see what his offense looks like. He was OL coach and Run Game Coordinator for two solid units in 2020 and 2021 (efficiency and situation-wise); 2020 # 10 DVOA Rushing and # 9 OL and 2021 # 5 DVOA Rushing and # 5 OL. There isn't enough info out there to indict him or to elevate him but I've been intrigued by him since he has been here.

Then you'd need to agree with his prep of the o-line.

[Buc2]

Many of you discuss halftime adjustments teams make and complain that Bowles/Leftwich never make any and point to that as one of the reasons they suck and should be fired. Well...

Peyton Manning says halftime adjustments are 'the biggest myth in football

'During Monday night's "ManningCast" of the Buccaneers-Cowboys game, Manning explained why he didn't believe in halftime adjustments.

"I don't know if I ever made a halftime adjustment in my entire 18-year career," Manning said, making a glib joke about the Buccaneers as they came out to start the second half trailing the Cowboys 18-0.

"I think that's the biggest myth in football — the halftime adjustments. You go in, you use the restroom, you eat a couple of oranges, and then the head coach says, 'Alright, let's go!'"

Peyton's brother Eli agreed with his assessment.

"You're in there for like, three minutes," Eli said.

"There's no time!" Peyton concluded.

[BucsNBills]

Many of you discuss halftime adjustments teams make and complain that Bowles/Leftwich never make any and point to that as one of the reasons they suck and should be fired. Well...

Peyton Manning says halftime adjustments are 'the biggest myth in football

'During Monday night's "ManningCast" of the Buccaneers-Cowboys game, Manning explained why he didn't believe in halftime adjustments.

"I don't know if I ever made a halftime adjustment in my entire 18-year career," Manning said, making a glib joke about the Buccaneers as they came out to start the second half trailing the Cowboys 18-0.

"I think that's the biggest myth in football — the halftime adjustments. You go in, you use the restroom, you eat a couple of oranges, and then the head coach says, 'Alright, let's go!'"

Peyton's brother Eli agreed with his assessment.

"You're in there for like, three minutes," Eli said.

"There's no time!" Peyton concluded.

Whether that's true or not, Bowles mainly needs to go because he's an interim hire that finished under .500 and basically every aspect of the team collapsed under his watch, including his defense which is all he offers to the team that got torched every good offense we faced this year.

We got strong armed by Arians intentional timing of his "retirement", Bowles was forced on us as an interim option, and now he needs to go.

[Buc2]

Many of you discuss halftime adjustments teams make and complain that Bowles/Leftwich never make any and point to that as one of the reasons they suck and should be fired. Well...

Whether that's true or not, Bowles mainly needs to go because he's an interim hire that finished under .500 and basically every aspect of the team collapsed under his watch, including his defense which is all he offers to the team that got torched every good offense we faced this year.

We got strong armed by Arians intentional timing of his "retirement", Bowles was forced on us as an interim option, and now he needs to go.

Lighten up. My post wasn't meant to be an affirmation of the current Bucs coaching staff. It was a quip that I happened to see while reading up some NFL stuff. Just maybe don't use it to condemn. There are plenty of real reasons to do that.

[BucsNBills]

Whether that's true or not, Bowles mainly needs to go because he's an interim hire that finished under .500 and basically every aspect of the team collapsed under his watch, including his defense which is all he offers to the team that got torched every good offense we faced this year.

We got strong armed by Arians intentional timing of his "retirement", Bowles was forced on us as an interim option, and now he needs to go.

Lighten up. My post wasn't meant to be an affirmation of the current Bucs coaching staff. It was a quip that I happened to see while reading up some NFL stuff. Just maybe don't use it to condemn. There are plenty of real reasons to do that.

That's fair. Maybe halftime adjustments really are a joke and don't happen and we can't use that against Bowles and Lefwhich. But as you said, there are plenty of other reasons to absolutely hold their feet to the fire.

[Doctor]

The hell you were. That was a lonely hill. IIRC you were bitching about trading for Gronk just to appease Brady just so we could get 3 more wins than Winston and perhaps a playoff game. But hey, don't worry, we all came to terms during our Eat Crow thread... well, all beside you who refuse to participate while being self-admittedly awful at predictions.

Bruce's way of running an offense is VERY cohesive and cooperative. More round table, less chain of command. With the QB having a central voice... and you best believe when that QB is Brady it's a big voice. When Arians left, so did the one voice that was checking Brady at the table.

At the end of the day, if Brady wants X and Lefty wants Y, what play do you think we're running?
Do you think this is a run of the mill relationship here as if there could ever be a situation where Brady gets in trouble for "not listening to Lefty"?

Come on.



People are actually trying to avoid blaming the cook, instead blaming how the sausage is made for why the dish came out like crap.
Despite the fact that the sausage was made the exact same way when the meals were hitting.

Ok, no no no. You don't get the last word if you're going to outright lie. This is some deranged nonsense.

1) The conversation around Gronk was about OPTIMIZING OUR PROSPECTS FOR A SUPERBOWL IN 2020 WITH BRADY. How do you not remember this? You and I had a very specific conversation...and now you're misremembering it (due to faulty memory or something?). My position was Suh's money + Gronk's money + 4th round pick might be better spent elsewhere (DJ Reader? Remember that?) to optimize 2020.

2) And you're accusing me of not eating crow? I PUBLICALLY ATE CROW on (1) above. I said that it ended up being the right move because the reality we live in included a Superbowl win with that move made (Suh and Gronk and sacrificed 4th rounder vs some alternative). Reader started off hot in 2020 for Cinci but had a season-ending injury. He's dominated the last two years in Cinci and is anchoring that ascendent defense, but, thus far, all they have to show for it is a Super Bowl appearance and a Super Bowl contender this year.

3) Ok, you're seriously telling me that I didn't spend a shit-ton of time and effort breaking down Brady's 2019 tape to dispute (a) the national narrative of Brady's lost arm strength and (b) that narrative on Buczone (of which there are many, many people who intensively disputed my position on this). This is crazy! I literally spent hours_of_my_life breaking down tape to demonstrate...beyond a shadow of a doubt...that Brady's 2019 was an artifact of the situation around him and not an artifact of "flagging arm strength" and "Father Time."

This is crazy town. You're literally representing an inversion of reality. And you're doing it proudly and with aggression. Nuts!

1) Yes, and you were very much in the crowd calling Gronk a "misallocation of resources", remember that? Because, yes, you wanted to sign DJ Read instead. Who I'll give you props, is a stud, but would not have secured our second ring. Either way, this is only an explanation for your position, not a refutation of having taken it.

2) I'm not accusing you, I'm reminding you of your literal reply in what was supposed to be a fun, lighthearted thread.
I can't believe I'm actually going back to Buczone for this, but it was literally...

I don’t brag when I’m correct and I don’t “eat crow” when I’m wrong.

Honestly, the whole idea of either is this weird form of ritualized masturbation to try to alter someone’s behavior or establish hierarchy and is often just underwritten by pettiness both ways.

Of course in classic Nobody fashion it was much wordier (why use 200 words when you can use 2000), but at no point does it ever get any better, or do you join in on the fun.

3) Finally you get to an actual rebuttal. Yes, I remember you doing that. Granted, everyone else that came to the same conclusion as you also watched a ton of Brady, it's how we reached that same conclusion. But yes, you were the only one that put in the effort to break it down for doubters play by play. Kudos. It was very appreciated (sincerely). You concluded that "Brady has clearly taken a minor step back but still had it", and I remember being relieved that you weren't going to have to be one of the posters I would have to beat back.



That's it.
Those are the only two things I remember.
1) Did a (very kind) play by play to show Brady's arm was fine and that overall took a step back but still had it.
2) And the Gronk move was a bad move.

I don't remember you anywhere in the Does Bruce Arians Still Have It thread that exploded after the first game disaster that was like a lightning rod for all the "Brady doesn't fit Arians" crowd. Don't remember you anywhere on that hill. Or in any of the Carr or Bridgewater threads where Brady, "arm strength", and Jacob Eason kept coming up.


But hey, sure, you were 100% the guy dying on that Arians-Brady hill.

[Heisenberg]

Many of you discuss halftime adjustments teams make and complain that Bowles/Leftwich never make any and point to that as one of the reasons they suck and should be fired. Well...

Peyton Manning says halftime adjustments are 'the biggest myth in football

'During Monday night's "ManningCast" of the Buccaneers-Cowboys game, Manning explained why he didn't believe in halftime adjustments.

"I don't know if I ever made a halftime adjustment in my entire 18-year career," Manning said, making a glib joke about the Buccaneers as they came out to start the second half trailing the Cowboys 18-0.

"I think that's the biggest myth in football — the halftime adjustments. You go in, you use the restroom, you eat a couple of oranges, and then the head coach says, 'Alright, let's go!'"

Peyton's brother Eli agreed with his assessment.

"You're in there for like, three minutes," Eli said.

"There's no time!" Peyton concluded.

Well he's a qb. And It doesn't have to happen inside the locker room. But if the same formation of shotgun with a rb to your left fails 80% of the time, the OC and coach should notice that and adjust accordingly. Or if your D is getting ripped a new one by a no name qb with no starts, it might be time for our hc/DC to do something different. Adjustment is the key word, not halftime.