Finding Brady's Replacement: Jayden Daniels?

[Xandtar]

That's true. I know he's a helluva lot better than that QB from Washington. If he wins the Heisman, yes, he'll be gone.

[MJW]

We need to replace Brady with another Michigan Man.

[Snake]

We need to replace Brady with another Michigan Man.

He can really make tight window ballsy throws under duress. I was impressed.

[Grahamburn]

If we want him in the first we can have him. He has some issues. Love as a second rounder.

[CantonJester]

If we want him in the first we can have him. He has some issues. Love as a second rounder.

If the Bucs feel they can work this kid into a bonafide, successful NFL QB, then you draft him in the first round. If there are concerns that he’s not that guy, then the 2nd round for this Bucs roster is way too high.

[Snake]

Look I’m not bragging but…

He’s now expected to win the Heisman and go in first round.

[Obsolete]

Look I’m not bragging but…

He’s now expected to win the Heisman and go in first round.

Did he ever put on the 40lbs?

[Snake]

Look I’m not bragging but…

He’s now expected to win the Heisman and go in first round.

Did he ever put on the 40lbs?

Maybe 25-30.

I’m sure he’ll juice up before the combine

[Obsolete]

Did he ever put on the 40lbs?

Maybe 25-30.

I’m sure he’ll juice up before the combine

Thats not too bad. At least he wont be looking like a middle schooler like Bryce Young.

[Cheb]

Congrats to Jayden Daniels on winning the Heisman trophy.

In the past 20 years, the only Heisman winners not taken in the first round of their respective drafts were Troy Smith and Derrick Henry, so welcome to the first round (probably).

He's put together a hell of a season. I called him a fourth rounder last year and I stand by that assessment, but he has absolutely shown an ability and willingness to let it fly deep, which was a concern of mine.

If we draft him, I wouldn't be mad.

[Phantom]

Oh damn, I forgot.

Congratulations, Daniels. Well deserved.

[Xandtar]

I'd said he'd be drafted ridiculously early if he won the Heisman.

Now we wait for the combine to see how much he should bulk up, and no he shouldn't play on New Year's Day.

[Phantom]

i have no problem to the Bucs select Daniels in the draft.

[Phantom]

Congrats to Jayden Daniels on winning the Heisman trophy.

In the past 20 years, the only Heisman winners not taken in the first round of their respective drafts were Troy Smith and Derrick Henry, so welcome to the first round (probably).

He's put together a hell of a season. I called him a fourth rounder last year and I stand by that assessment, but he has absolutely shown an ability and willingness to let for deep, which was a concern of mine.

If we draft him, I wouldn't be mad.

i remember Charlie Ward wasn't selected in the draft after he won the Heisman.

He was the reason I follow FSU that year.'

[Cheb]

An interesting sidenote is that Jayden Daniel's 2021 backfield mate prior to him going to LSU was our very own Rachaad White.

[Grahamburn]

Congrats to Jayden Daniels on winning the Heisman trophy.

In the past 20 years, the only Heisman winners not taken in the first round of their respective drafts were Troy Smith and Derrick Henry, so welcome to the first round (probably).

He's put together a hell of a season. I called him a fourth rounder last year and I stand by that assessment, but he has absolutely shown an ability and willingness to let for deep, which was a concern of mine.

If we draft him, I wouldn't be mad.

i remember Charlie Ward wasn't selected in the draft after he won the Heisman.

He was the reason I follow FSU that year.'

Ward told teams he wouldn't play in the NFL unless he was a first round pick. I think his smaller stature and interest in basketball turned them off. Had he been a football player exclusively he could have had a nice NFL career.

[Grahamburn]

i have no problem to the Bucs select Daniels in the draft.

I'd also be fine with it. Whatever his shortcomings are he has been just awesome this year. Maybe him being so skinny will let him fall. Assuming we win a few more games...

[Doctor]

It's a copy cat league. Right now guys like Lamar and Murray are going to make or cost Daniels a lot of money.

I like Daniels. I like him more than I liked Murray. But right now QBs are falling like flies and size is scaring people off.

[Bootz]

It's a copy cat league. Right now guys like Lamar and Murray are going to make or cost Daniels a lot of money.

I like Daniels. I like him more than I liked Murray. But right now QBs are falling like flies and size is scaring people off.

Ironically, you haven't mentioned QBs who have actually fallen like flied. Don't you mean Justin Herbert, Kirk Cousins, Joe Burrow, Aaron Rodgers, Deshaun Watson, Kenny Pickett?

Certainly you don't mean a guy who just returned from injury and a guy who has the best record in the AFC....

[Snake]

Right.

Guys get hurt. You can read into it as much as you want. A guy like Josh Allen has been fine dealing out damage like he’s a fullback.

[Doctor]

Because those are big guys. Daniels is more like Young and Murray. And you weight those size concerns alongside some of the duel threat benefits of which Lamar is the gold standard.

Similar process Murray went thru only this time Murray is the comparison.

[Snake]

Murray tore his ACL on a non-contact incident. Not being small.

[Buc2]

Granted, he was never all that great, but if small QBs like Doug Flutie can survive the NFL back when it was okay for DLinemen to actually sack the QB, these guys should be able to survive given today's hands-off QB rules.

[Kress]

It's people just picking something to blame. Rodgers gets hurt standing in the pocket, blame the rules. Jackson gets hurt running outside of it, blame the style of play. Murray gets hurt eating a sandwich, blame his size.

Guys get hurt. It's football.

[Grahamburn]

Finding Tom Brady's Replacement: Baker Mayfield?

[Snake]

Finding Tom Brady's Replacement: Baker Mayfield?

No

[Grahamburn]

Finding Tom Brady's Replacement: Baker Mayfield?

No

What does he need to do to get a "yes?"

[Snake]

No

What does he need to do to get a "yes?"

He’s not physically capable of doing that, imo.

take away a guys best couple and worst couple performances and see where they are on an average week on a given year.

I don’t think he’s a franchise QB.

[mdb1958]

And when Jayden Daniels gets selected before we can pick him - then what. I've given Daniels plenty of thought, enough where it would be hard not to pick him - keep it in mind though he would be coming to a mess. Our "it starts up front" - sore spot on both sides with the hope that the o-line can show acceptable growth. (major win if possible)
Sometimes on defense it is like we are playing 9/10 guys - too many playless no-shows.

I know it's not possible or if they are even there but I'm not against having a better player on our entire IDL. It would be the spark that would light up both our OLB's and our defensive backfield. S/LB hybrids also have me thinking..

[Doctor]

I'd bite if Jayden is there in the first.

[SaggyBallZ]

And when Jayden Daniels gets selected before we can pick him - then what. I've given Daniels plenty of thought, enough where it would be hard not to pick him - keep it in mind though he would be coming to a mess. Our "it starts up front" - sore spot on both sides with the hope that the o-line can show acceptable growth. (major win if possible)
Sometimes on defense it is like we are playing 9/10 guys - too many playless no-shows.

I know it's not possible or if they are even there but I'm not against having a better player on our entire IDL. It would be the spark that would light up both our OLB's and our defensive backfield. S/LB hybrids also have me thinking..

someone stole MDB's password

[Grahamburn]

What does he need to do to get a "yes?"

He’s not physically capable of doing that, imo.

take away a guys best couple and worst couple performances and see where they are on an average week on a given year.

I don’t think he’s a franchise QB.

Interesting. I feel like the term franchise QB gets thrown around a bit too often. How many QBs are there in the NFL that are true "franchise" QBs? I'd say there might be 7?

NFL QBs Sorted by 2023 Passer Rating

Baker Mayfield is currently 9th in the NFL in passer rating. He is ahead of Jalen Hurts, Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, Joe Burrow, and Trevor Lawrence. All "franchise" QBs.

[SaggyBallZ]

Obviously it depends upon how you define it, but I'd say at any one point in time there are about 15 franchise QB's.

I know a couple of these guys are old and nearly done playing but I would have

Purdy
Tua
Prescott
Cousins
Stroud
Goff
Jackson
Hurts
Allen
Herbert
Mahomes
Burrow
Stafford
Lawrence
Watson
Rogers

(in order of this year's ratings)


my definition is a guy who is going to probably play with his team 5+ years and the team isn't actively looking to replace them

If you are talking about Elite QB's, I'd say the number is generally a handful.

[Snake]

"What is a franchise QB?"

It's a tough one to answer, exactly. I don't disagree with Z's description. At it's basis, it's a player who you have no problem committing 5 years to (given his established performance) or don't find yourself pondering if you need to upgrade at quarterback because QB performance is holding the team back.

Personally, I have a problem committing big money to a quarterback who is utterly scheme dependent and can't be expected to go get seven points when the defense knows you're one dimensional. Some guys give you a better shot than others. What constitutes a real chance vs a puncher's chance is subjective.

I struggled with calling Jimmy G a franchise QB for his entire career. why? Because the second Jimmy G was asked to improvise or raise the team on his shoulders - instead of standing on the shoulders of giants around him - he was noticeably worse. he was a cromulent automaton in a well-oiled factory of an offense. that's all he ever was.

and just because you're young and deemed to have a lot of potential doesn't mean you're a franchise QB. It means you're a candidate. I think the proven performance is required before one is given the keys to the kingdom...e.g. allowed to have input into roster moves, etc.

[Grahamburn]

Well, starting to look like Baker is probably back here next year on a Geno Smith+ level 3 year deal with the first two guaranteed.