Tampa Bay Buccaneers Official 2023 Off Season Thread

[MJW]

More voids to get cap complaint due to previous voids.

Seems like once you go down that road, there's no turning back.

The answer is to take the hit so you can move forward with clean books. It's what I hoped we'd at least try to do this year. But it was probably a pipe dream, since Licht and Bowles aren't interested in the long-term health of anything, they're interested in being employed in 10 months.

[BucsNBills]

Our choices were push the cap or trade the players we pushed the cap on. We made all the significant cuts we could, so pushing cap was the only other option.

Unless of course you wanted to trade Godwin, cd3, Vea, etc.

[MJW]

Our choices were push the cap or trade the players we pushed the cap on. We made all the significant cuts we could, so pushing cap was the only other option.

Unless of course you wanted to trade Godwin, cd3, Vea, etc.

I'll have a better idea of how pissy I am when the final-final numbers shake out. I just wanted to avoid pushing more than we had to 2024 and beyond.

That said...I gave the correct answer. You want to avoid the endless void year shell game, as we did for quite some time? Bite the bullet.

[mdb1958]

Get ahead of the game and get great four year player contracts turning them into valuable trade assets. Try and do 1 or 2 trades every year.

[MJW]

Tell me you're tanking for Caleb Williams without telling me you're tanking for Caleb Williams.

Well, if you were tanking for Caleb Williams, you probably wouldn't sign Baker or anyone else you've ever heard of, but I digress.

I wouldn't like signing Baker Mayfield. At all. OTC estimates he would be worth around $9-10 million per year, and I doubt he could do anything that Kyle Trask couldn't do for alot cheaper. And that amount of money could be used to help resign LVD or Anthony Nelson or Jamel Dean or Logan Ryan or Will Gholston.

I hope Baker signs elsewhere, and most every outside free agent who would command greater than $5 million in cap space.

Want to hear a depressing statistic? The Buccaneers are SIXTH in the NFL in spending on quarterbacks this year at $36 million. Adding Baker or another veteran of similar cost would catapult us up to third, behind only the Browns and Chiefs. Looking at this roster with this cap and the many, many holes we are about to have on defense, signing a Baker Mayfield would be extremely poor decision making.

Agree on all counts, at least at that kind of a number.

Mayfield has been dumped by three teams already.
He isn't very accurate (61.4%) and he takes a lot of sacks.
He can move a little, but he's not a running threat at all.
He was also 5th in the NFL in fumbles last year despite only starting 10 games.
He won't be cheap, relative to the other lackluster options.
And he seems to be a little bitch.

This would be a desperation attempt by an embattled front office/coach to save their jobs if the former #1 overall pick starts to PLAY like a #1 overall pick in his 6th year in the league.

This shit should be simple:
Give Drew Lock 1-4 that can become 1-8 with incentives.
Let Lock and Trask battle it out, and let Lock help Trask understand the offense better no matter who wins the job.

[Bootz]

Our choices were push the cap or trade the players we pushed the cap on. We made all the significant cuts we could, so pushing cap was the only other option.

Unless of course you wanted to trade Godwin, cd3, Vea, etc.

I'll have a better idea of how pissy I am when the final-final numbers shake out. I just wanted to avoid pushing more than we had to 2024 and beyond.

That said...I gave the correct answer. You want to avoid the endless void year shell game, as we did for quite some time? Bite the bullet.

Thing is we couldn't. Per Greg Aumen, without going void happy yet again that $44mil savings would've been around $30mil.

So as I said, once you go down that road you're stuck going down that road for a while.

[mdb1958]

Do the players ever think of the contract re-do's as helping with taxes? If the guarantees are all used up maybe they would look at it like well I bought me another year or two.

[Buc2]

Baker Mayfield = Mike Glennon without the giraffe neck.

[Doctor]

The irony is Winston is exactly the kind of guy we'd want to bring in for Canales if he had been drafted by someone else.

[Bootz]

"Big push for Mayfield". Get to rationalizing, folks.

[Buc2]

"Big push for Mayfield". Get to rationalizing, folks.

Stroud needs to shut his dirty mouth.

[Bootz]

"Big push for Mayfield". Get to rationalizing, folks.

Stroud needs to shut his dirty mouth.

"Big push" for a QB that was traded for a conditional draft pick and then released 5 months later.

My how the mighty have fallen.

[Buc2]

Stroud needs to shut his dirty mouth.

"Big push" for a QB that was traded for a conditional draft pick and then released 5 months later.

My how the mighty have fallen.

No kidding. If they're not going to go after a top QB (ala, LJ), then just sit down and stay out of the FA QB market altogether. Well, except for guys like Lock that some here have been talking about.

[mdb1958]

C/mon Bootz, ya'll gotta give Baker six or seven pages..

[Backside]

I think Brissett is pretty decent actually. But doing everything you can to achieve mediocrity isn't a plan I can get behind. Go all in with the big Lamar (or Rodgers) type move. Or shut it down and just eat your shit cap sandwich for a year, and hope for a top draft pick.

Seems we are determined to fight for .500 and a bad division crown. I guess while the season is in progress I'll enjoy having some rooting interest. But if our long term goal is sustained playoff appearances and competing for championships, this season does not seem like it will be in service of that.

[Bootz]

I think Brissett is pretty decent actually.

@mdb1958 you won't get it from me. This is the type of stuff I'm looking forward to. Hyping the players we know are trash.

[Backside]

I think Brissett is pretty decent actually.

@mdb1958 you won't get it from me. This is the type of stuff I'm looking forward to. Hyping the players we know are trash.

Why so anxious to start something? Why ignore the rest of my post saying at best we get to mediocrity with him at QB? He was decent last year, his team did better with him starting that Watson. Want to deny that?

[Bootz]

@mdb1958 you won't get it from me. This is the type of stuff I'm looking forward to. Hyping the players we know are trash.

Why so anxious to start something? Why ignore the rest of my post saying at best we get to mediocrity with him at QB? He was decent last year, his team did better with him starting that Watson. Want to deny that?

He did a very good job helping the Browns go 4-7. Nice job, Jacoby.

[Bootz]

"Star" OL Shaq Mason.....Who writes these headlines?

[Backside]

Why so anxious to start something? Why ignore the rest of my post saying at best we get to mediocrity with him at QB? He was decent last year, his team did better with him starting that Watson. Want to deny that?

He did a very good job helping the Browns go 4-7. Nice job, Jacoby.

Jacoby Brissett was not very good. Not a great take by you Bootz. Step it up.

[Bootz]

He did a very good job helping the Browns go 4-7. Nice job, Jacoby.

Jacoby Brissett was not very good. Not a great take by you Bootz. Step it up.

We know this. Neither is he "pretty decent". He's trash and you sign him when you know you're going to be trash

[Backside]

Jacoby Brissett was not very good. Not a great take by you Bootz. Step it up.

We know this. Neither is he "pretty decent". He's trash and you sign him when you know you're going to be trash

If they want trash, they have that guy in the building. Spending cap space on Brissett means you aspire to mediocrity in a terrible division. Like I said. Along with not wanting him.

[Doctor]

To be clear, we have pre-selected to be mad at whatever QB we sign because they will all be both not good enough and too good. Got it.

[Bootz]

To be clear, we have pre-selected to be mad at whatever QB we sign because they will all be both not good enough and too good. Got it.

Who's the QB that would be "too good"?

[Sdbucs]

Baker would be the biggest waste of a season

[BucsNBills]

[Phantom]

Jesus

[Snake]

Some people were actually convinced this team would meaningfully compete lol

[Backside]

To be clear, we have pre-selected to be mad at whatever QB we sign because they will all be both not good enough and too good. Got it.

Yea, kind of. What's your plan? Going after the Baker's or Jacoby's of the world seems completely pointless and serves to just hurt our draft pick with a few useless wins.

[BucsNBills]

Now sure how this makes sense for us. It's not an age thing since we just kicked the can on Jensen. He's a good guard and will leave a large void on the line. We don't "need" his cap space ATM and even if we did we can just extend and prorate his 2033 cap.

Perhaps Shaq requested the trade or release? That's the only thing that makes sense to me.

[Bootz]

Some people were actually convinced this team would meaningfully compete lol

I was convinced they'd try. Even more so convinced when they proceeded to fuck our future cap even more than it already was. Now we've created space so we can "push" for Baker Mayfield and Jacoby Brissett.

[BucsNBills]

Some people were actually convinced this team would meaningfully compete lol

Gotta keep up with the Rams for the race for Caleb Williams.

[Backside]

Now sure how this makes sense for us. It's not an age thing since we just kicked the can on Jensen. He's a good guard and will leave a large void on the line. We don't "need" his cap space ATM and even if we did we can just extend and prorate his 2033 cap.

Perhaps Shaq requested the trade or release? That's the only thing that makes sense to me.

Pretty much agree. But if we can get better than a fifth rounder for him (no clue if we can) it represents a good use of assets. A good season out of him and getting ROI in a trade. If we give him up for nothing it's definitely an odd move.

Edit: Seeing that they will release him if not traded. So don't think we are getting anything notable back. Last year the Patriots were ridiculed for giving him to us for so little. Guess we want to one up them. Woof.

[Sdbucs]

Some people were actually convinced this team would meaningfully compete lol

Gotta keep up with the Rams for the race for Caleb Williams.

Baker Mayfield is not the right course of action in that endeavor

[Phantom]

Some people were actually convinced this team would meaningfully compete lol

What if Bucs go 13-4 with Mayfield, would you be happy with that?