All 22 at Washington Passing Game

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mdb1958
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Re: All 22 at Washington Passing Game

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mdb1958 wrote: Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:41 am I kinda wish to know who it was that commited 13 missed tackles and who it was that was credited with 7 QB pressures that NFL.com's pdf file refuses to acknowledge.

That little bit of added info would do nice...

Very odd indeed just how well those plays were covered. Did they have any missed tackles? Did Tampa have any pressures?
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Re: All 22 at Washington Passing Game

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Confession time: Evidently the pdf file keeps track of QB hits and not QB pressures, not sure if pressures are the same as hurries. I assume a QB hit is where you were to late to stop the successful play but were awarded the hit because you did it in a way where they did not throw a roughing the passer flag.
On the other hand pressures must be a timed event where credit comes from forcing the QB to get rid of the ball just short of receiving a sack.
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Re: All 22 at Washington Passing Game

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Nobody wrote: Sat Nov 20, 2021 2:18 am ANATOMY OF A DISASTER

I wanted to break down the final drive to find out where the problems were from assignment losses to playcalling losses that created that masterpiece of unclutchitude. This is only covering the play losses themselves. Doing this right now (rather than taking notes and writing it up) in real time:

6 Yard Pass
(10:05) (Shotgun) T.Heinicke pass short right to J.McKissic to WAS 28 for 6 yards (P.Desir).
2nd & 8 at WAS 22


* Tampa 2 Zone Blitz (White). This was a winning call. It got White through C gab w/ RG stepping down to A gap so that set inside gives White huge advantage to burst through C > Rip > Corner > Finish. White can't corner and finish. This is something he has to get better on. He gets so many chances like this. He has to be able to come under control here, drop his hips, corner and finish. So often he comes clean or mostly clean, doesn't finish the play and now we're down a man in coverage on the backend (like this play) so its a throw to an uncovered checkdown and 6.


3 Yard Run
(9:23) (Shotgun) T.Heinicke scrambles left end pushed ob at WAS 31 for 3 yards (A.Winfield).
3rd & 2 at WAS 28


We bring all 3 iDL and both Edge out of base so its blitz + 1 Man behind. We're 5v5 as they leave no one in. Not a single man wins. All singles and no wins. They run a game w/ Vea and Gholston and it gets nothing done and the B gap left side is a gaping hole because of Barret's edge rush. Easy pocket escape and through left B for the 1st down.

I hate the fact that JPP is in and not JTS here (we need an explosive Edge player who can chase down/contain a running QB in this situation and he's flat out more capable rushing the passer than JPP right here). And then we have all of these guys lose in singles and the game gets nothing done.

Why not have JTS on the field, show a massive front with all gaps covered to confuse the OL and maybe bait an audible from run (if they're running) and have JTS Spy?

This defense and what we show up front does nothing to confuse the OL and it is the best possible defense for a pocket escape conversion on 3rd and 2 (against a QB who wants to do exactly that).


16 Yard Pass
(8:42) (Shotgun) T.Heinicke pass short right to T.McLaurin to WAS 47 for 16 yards (A.Winfield).
1st & 10 at WAS 31


The fake a Jet Sweep Lead one way and come back the other way with a Tunnel Screen to the Doubles side right into the teeth of our 2 Zone Cloud (the boundary CB is way off and bailing to 2 Deep). This is Bowles losing.

Then its compounded by JPP being horribly slow to read it (he was dropping to Flat) and taking himself entirely out of the play. Then White (who clicked and closed well on this one), who put himself in a good position to make a huge tackle here for maybe a 2 yard gain, just completely overruns it and takes himself out of the play. After that, its out the gate for 16 (Winfield is rotating the other way for deep half and everyone else is getting into their run fits play-side).

Bowles loses and JPP and White compound it.


4 Yard Run
(7:56) D.Carter left end pushed ob at TB 49 for 4 yards (A.Nelson; J.Dean). End around
1st & 10 at WAS 47


This is a tough one. You want to just chalk it up to them. We're playing Tampa 2 (so White is running Hole and won't be able to be a pursuit player) and they give us Jet Action one way, then fake the handoff to the RB that way and then go Endaround opposite the Jet Action. White has paused briefly for the fit and then he's bailing hard for his Deep Hole responsibility. Edwards is the uncovered overhang defender play side. If this is going to get blown up, he has to see it and get downhill and make the play or string it out. He doesn't. Also Anthony Nelson is play-side End. He doesn't see it and he doesn't generate a stalemate. If this was going to be 3 or less yards, its on those two guys. W/ the Jet Action, there is only a single Edwards' side. You can say that he needs to commit harder and/or see this, but he has Seam/Hook responsibility here (meaning if he comes to hard, a Slant or Hitch or Skinny Post is wide open).

Given all the circumstances, this is probably mostly on the Tampa 2 and the front situation w/ a lean toward Nelson being only Nelson and Edwards being in a bad catch-22.


7 Yard Run
(7:12) (Shotgun) A.Gibson left end to TB 42 for 7 yards (W.Gholston, L.David).
2nd & 6 at TB 49


They run an Outside Zone from Shotgun away from their motion to Trips (and then they show Bubble Screen there). White triple takes (fit the Outside Zone...WAIT...Bubble Screen...WAIT...Outside Zone) and that takes him entirely out of his run fit. LVD is enormously slow to read this and get into his fit. We don't have Vea in so Gholston is swallowed and he's playside iDL (loses to single). Suh is backside and is easily Reach blocked with help and then climb by uncovered OL on him. Nelson is still Nelson and he runs himself right out of the play.

This is mostly about Gholson, Nelson, LVD, and White (processing and closing and fitting the run and reading/winning against singles for the DL).


6 Yard Pass
(5:41) T.Heinicke pass short right to J.Bates to TB 33 for 6 yards (M.Edwards).
2nd & 7 at TB 39


They motion to 2x2 and fake an Outside Zone Toss behind that motion and boot the other way with Crossing + Over routes with the boot. LVD does a great job picking up his Over and the boot-side CB and S do a good job bracketing the Out route. Barrett is Curl/Hook here and he allows himself to get outflanked by the Shallow Cross from the other side. He has to match this. He actually takes it for a second but then backs off and tries to get depth (?). He basically has both the Boot and the Cross here so its pretty much a train-wreck (he takes neither). Regardless, if he picks up the Crossing route, Heinicke tucks it for probably the same yardage. This is Bowles play-call losing as much as anything.


2 Yard Run
(4:52) (Shotgun) A.Gibson right guard to TB 31 for 2 yards (V.Vea; D.White).
3rd & 1 at TB 33


This is simple Man run from balanced 12 right up A gap. Doubles on iDl except Vita. Vita is singled by the Center here. Singled. He doesn't win and its a 2 yard gain; a win in normal situations but not on 3rd and 1.


4 Yard Run
(4:10) (Shotgun) A.Gibson up the middle to TB 27 for 4 yards (J.Whitehead, L.David).
1st & 10 at TB 31


This is a hard rep to watch. Bowles' call straight up wins here. I see lack of effort/slowness/finish by multiple defenders here. They run Inside Zone and bring the TE under the formation to kick out the backside Edge. However, we're blitzing both Safeties off the Edge so the TE picks up the S instead of Barrett. Clean shot for an uncovered Barrett to make a big Run Stop. Broken tackle. Vea is hugely slow coming off the ball and actually gives up displacement to the RG (by himself). Suh and JPP are handled entirely. LVD apprently thinks the play is dead so he's basically standing around when it squirts out the other side his way (if he went hard down into his fit, this is a Stuff or a 1 yard gain...but he's just standing there). This is bad in a lot of ways and it looks like a defeated defense at this point.

If I would have seen all the varying aspects of this rep live at the time I would have booked them milking the rest of the 4 minutes and getting 6 to finish us.


5 Yard Pass
(3:18) (Shotgun) T.Heinicke pass short left to A.Humphries pushed ob at TB 20 for 5 yards (M.Edwards).
3rd & 4 at TB 25


Safety Blitz w/ 1 Man behind and White on Green Dog (his man stays in so he comes) They block it up with 7 and its Edwards 1v1 against Hump's Out route. Edwards is a great underneath Zone defender/box coverage player and a solid 2 Deep player...but he's only a solid to serviceable Man player. He gets outleverage to the sideline, ball is out quick and on the money, and its another 1st.


6 Yard Pass
(3:10) (Shotgun) T.Heinicke pass short left to A.Gibson to TB 15 for 6 yards (A.Winfield).
2nd & 11 at TB 21


You want to know what last week's Hands to the QB face penalty PTSD looks like? White is blitzing off the edge completely free. This is right into the teeth of the rubbed Quick Slant his side. He could trivially get his hands up and make this play to bat it down or make Heinicke pull it down and reset (possibly even force an escape or maybe get a Sack after that reset). White...free runner...in the Tunnel Screen passing lane...is a nothingburger. He doesn't try to get his hands up to deflect it/make a play. He just runs right through it with the ball whizzing past his ear. Gibson runs a great route. Winfield plays excellent Press Coverage and avoids the Rub mostly. He's in Gibson's pocket...can't make the play.

But this is definitely an artifact of White getting 15 yards last week for brushing the face mask of the QB. There is no way he shouldn't make this play. He HAS to make this play. He doesn't, Winfield can't generate the PBU; 6 yards and 3rd and Medium (and very convertable!).


6 Yard Pass
(3:05) (Shotgun) T.Heinicke pass short middle to T.McLaurin to TB 9 for 6 yards (J.Dean, J.Whitehead).
3rd & 5 at TB 15


1 Man Blitz w/ White Green Dog again. Dean loses quickly to the Slant, Heinicke just drifts back like he does and fires it with the clean window (due to the blitz). Whitehead obliterates McLaurin (someone is playing with control and fire). He holds on.


5 Yard Run
(2:19) (Shotgun) A.Gibson left tackle to TB 4 for 5 yards (D.White, A.Winfield).
1st & Goal at TB 96 Yard Pass


Inside Zone at Vea. Vea and Suh both eat double teams w/ Suh's double being only a quick chip and then climb to White. Both of those win (White can't fit because of the easy cimb). The real problem is Vea here. Put on absolute skates. I've never seen that. He stalemates double teams (or worse) like its nothing. No stalemate; all beatdown here. You wonder why he got hurt? Guy's gas tank was obviously spent. Tired guys get put in extremely awkward positions and can't protect themselves.


Touchdown Football Team
(:31) (Shotgun) A.Gibson left end for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN. TB-V.Vea was injured during the play.
4th & Goal at TB 1


Inside Zone to JPP and White (who have C and D). Interior gets no penetration against doubles, TE singles JPP and wins big, White barely even reacts. Easy 6.


++++++++++++++++++++++++

There is a lot of ownership in the epically bad drive starting with the Coach and the leaders on Defense.

Man...

This makes me wonder if Vea was possibly already injured or maybe just totally exhausted (we sucked at TOP) at this point. Vea is the one guy who at least physically never loses his match-ups.
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Re: All 22 at Washington Passing Game

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@The Outsider This was the worst collection of plays I’ve seen from Vea in a game. You don’t see him lose physically more than once a game ever. And it’s pretty much never single.

There were several on in this single drive alone. It looked like a player entirely out of gas.

@mdb1958 , a recorded Pressure is when a Pass Rush snap forces a QB off his spot or a throw inside of 2.5 seconds. A Hurry is a Pressure when there is no Hit. A Hit is…well, you can figure that out.
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Re: All 22 at Washington Passing Game

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Nobody wrote: Tue Nov 16, 2021 9:30 pm

Its simple. We're getting outcoached on both sides of the ball; out-schemed and out-adjusted.
This is real problem with the team this year.
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