The Official 2022 NFL Draft Thread

[MJW]

I think we either try and bait a QB needy team into giving us their 3rd to move up for 33 or take Logan Hall at 33.

You know there's some team out there that absolutely loved Willis but saw him as too much of a project in R1. Here's a fun thought: we screw Atlanta and New Orleans (and theoretically Carolina, even though they don't have ammo right now) out of a shot at Willis by trading back with, say, the Giants, or Lions, or Seahawks.

[MJW]

I loved the trade. I think it was a perfect end to the first round for the Bucs. Can't wait for tomorrow.

Me too. Started with 5 picks, got the comp pick, added two more picks today. Two 2nds, a 3rd, two 4ths, a 6th, and two 7ths. Not terrible. And the only guy who went that really stung for me was Cine.

[Cheb]

I think we either try and bait a QB needy team into giving us their 3rd to move up for 33 or take Logan Hall at 33.

You know there's some team out there that absolutely loved Willis but saw him as too much of a project in R1. Here's a fun thought: we screw Atlanta and New Orleans (and theoretically Carolina, even though they don't have ammo right now) out of a shot at Willis by trading back with, say, the Giants, or Lions, or Seahawks.

Agreed. The Seahawks in particular have the 8th and 9th spots in the second round; I'd give them a call and offer #33 for both of those to give themselves the pick of the quarterback litter, letting them leap over the Giants and Texans to get their guy. Would seem fair.

[Naismith]

Agreed. The Seahawks in particular have the 8th and 9th spots in the second round; I'd give them a call and offer #33 for both of those to give themselves the pick of the quarterback litter, letting them leap over the Giants and Texans to get their guy. Would seem fair.

I think the first round showed that no one valued these QBs enough to give up two seconds for them. They could have moved into the end of the first for cheaper than that and got the fifth year option.

I kind of hope the Bucs draft Willis.

[MJW]

My Wish List For Pick #33 (if we keep it:)

Travis Jones, DL, UConn
Andrew Booth, CB, Clemson
Christian Watson, WR, NDST
Nakobe Dean, LB, Georgia
Perrion Winfrey, DL, Oklahoma
Kyler Gordon, CB, Washington
Sean Rhyan, G, UCLA
Logan Hall, DL, Houston
Jaquan Brisker, S, Penn State
David Ojabo, EDGE, Michigan

[real bucs fan]

Guess we’ve got first pick of the litter tomorrow.

[Sanka]

The Saints just jumped up. Have to figure this is where the first QB comes off.

As usual you got it wrong, this not the Bucs who draft a Kicker in the 2nd round nor pick a player over Dalvin Cook. Saints are actually drafting to their needs.

I still have fantasy of breaking your neck you fruitcake.

[Doctor]

Reading the tea leaves and listening to my gut I'm saying we're picking Kenneth Walker III tomorrow.

[MJW]

Reading the tea leaves and listening to my gut I'm saying we're picking Kenneth Walker III tomorrow.

I know it's good to have two good ones, but #33 seems like a rich pick when we know Lenny is going to be the guy for the next couple of years.

[MJW]

Also, Walker has basically the same skill set as Lenny. Nasty physical runner. Liability as a pass blocker. Unnatural catching the ball.

Not saying it can't happen. Maybe Bowles likes the idea of hitting 'em with Lenny and them hitting them with Lenny light. But it doesn't make much sense to me on paper, and that's even putting aside my general disdain for drafting backs high.

I'd rather look for someone more versatile, like James Cook or Dameon Pierce, a bit later.

[mdb1958]

Reading the tea leaves and listening to my gut I'm saying we're picking Kenneth Walker III tomorrow.

Tom 100% owns who we pick as RB

[mdb1958]

Agreed. The Seahawks in particular have the 8th and 9th spots in the second round; I'd give them a call and offer #33 for both of those to give themselves the pick of the quarterback litter, letting them leap over the Giants and Texans to get their guy. Would seem fair.

I think the first round showed that no one valued these QBs enough to give up two seconds for them. They could have moved into the end of the first for cheaper than that and got the fifth year option.

I kind of hope the Bucs draft Willis.

Doing a sim and Minn gave me 4 late picks to move down one spot for Brisker. Houston will not give up any of their picks to move up.

I think Atl and Cleveland would pick Jones "so"...

[mdb1958]

My Wish List For Pick #33 (if we keep it:)

Travis Jones, DL, UConn
Andrew Booth, CB, Clemson
Christian Watson, WR, NDST
Nakobe Dean, LB, Georgia
Perrion Winfrey, DL, Oklahoma
Kyler Gordon, CB, Washington
Sean Rhyan, G, UCLA
Logan Hall, DL, Houston
Jaquan Brisker, S, Penn State
David Ojabo, EDGE, Michigan

I wonder how far Ojabo falls

[Doctor]

Also, Walker has basically the same skill set as Lenny. Nasty physical runner. Liability as a pass blocker. Unnatural catching the ball.

Not saying it can't happen. Maybe Bowles likes the idea of hitting 'em with Lenny and them hitting them with Lenny light. But it doesn't make much sense to me on paper, and that's even putting aside my general disdain for drafting backs high.

I'd rather look for someone more versatile, like James Cook or Dameon Pierce, a bit later.

Just telling you how I see it, but I agree. I like Cook later. Pierce too. Dean is the only choice here. Period.

[mdb1958]

You know there's some team out there that absolutely loved Willis but saw him as too much of a project in R1. Here's a fun thought: we screw Atlanta and New Orleans (and theoretically Carolina, even though they don't have ammo right now) out of a shot at Willis by trading back with, say, the Giants, or Lions, or Seahawks.

Agreed. The Seahawks in particular have the 8th and 9th spots in the second round; I'd give them a call and offer #33 for both of those to give themselves the pick of the quarterback litter, letting them leap over the Giants and Texans to get their guy. Would seem fair.

In the sim I'm doing they wouldnt even give up 109 and 145 for us to drop to 40. I was afraid to ask for just one pick.

[mdb1958]

If we get Jones, and a DE/EDGE/OLB we just instantly improved our 3/4/5 man pass rush. Much more ammo for a 3rd down pass rush. Shouldnt have anyone getting worn out late in the game from double teams.

Heck! We might even be able to add a 4.3 linebacker.

[MJW]

Agreed. The Seahawks in particular have the 8th and 9th spots in the second round; I'd give them a call and offer #33 for both of those to give themselves the pick of the quarterback litter, letting them leap over the Giants and Texans to get their guy. Would seem fair.

In the sim I'm doing they wouldnt even give up 109 and 145 for us to drop to 40.

Can't speak to an algo, but this particular scenario won't happen in a vacuum. There will likely be multiple teams calling about this pick. If Licht is any good at wheeling and dealing at all, he'll be able to play them against each other. It won't necessarily be for a quarterback, either. Lots of good players left.

I keep coming back to Willis and Detroit. Lots of smoke that Campbell loved Willis. We all know Goff isn't an answer. Now, assuming for a moment that Campbell really does want Willis, he'll be more than willing to trade #46, #97, and probably either 177 or 181 to move up and get him. At least, he will be if he believes someone else wants to make that deal.

Hell, it's a shame the Falcons are in our division, because I kind of wonder if we could get #43 and #58 out of them for #33. Oh well.

[mdb1958]

That's what I get for running 2 sims (PFN/PFF) at once. My third trade down with a PFF sim I traded down one spot to 38th got pick 148 and crap! - they picked Jones.

[mdb1958]

In the sim I'm doing they wouldnt even give up 109 and 145 for us to drop to 40.

Can't speak to an algo, but this particular scenario won't happen in a vacuum. There will likely be multiple teams calling about this pick. If Licht is any good at wheeling and dealing at all, he'll be able to play them against each other. It won't necessarily be for a quarterback, either. Lots of good players left.

I keep coming back to Willis and Detroit. Lots of smoke that Campbell loved Willis. We all know Goff isn't an answer. Now, assuming for a moment that Campbell really does want Willis, he'll be more than willing to trade #46, #97, and probably either 177 or 181 to move up and get him. At least, he will be if he believes someone else wants to make that deal.

Hell, it's a shame the Falcons are in our division, because I kind of wonder if we could get #43 and #58 out of them for #33. Oh well.

Somebody is algoing these algo's. Reminds me of that girl from The Accountant. I've seen where Atl 43 and Cleveland 44 both want Jones.


Tell Elliott Ness not to get greedy!
Gotta be careful cuz those damn Bears got him at 38.

[mdb1958]

@MJW I tried the ATL scenario - they declined.

[mdb1958]

I’d honestly be fine if we took that Punter from SDSU with the second of those later Jax picks.

Think 5th round or lose him.

[mdb1958]

Our current draft order is

Round 2, Pick 1(34)
Round 2, Pick 28 (60)
Round 3, Pick 27 (91)
Round 4, Pick 1 (106)
Round 4, Pick 28 (133)
Round 6, Pick 1 (180)
Round 7, Pick 27 (248)
Round 7, Pick 40 (261)

8 picks

Got to withhold any excitement, Licht could still screw this all up.
Please please please tell me he didnt go get drunk at the clubhouse last night after the draft.

[MJW]

No joke, the only thing we could do at 33 that would piss me off (besides, you know, a kicker) would be a running back. Any other position, or a trade down, I'll be fine with. There's absolutely no reason to draft a running back with that pick. None of these guys are rare, elite talents. There will still be very good running backs available later. There will NOT be corners as good as Andrew Booth, safeties as good as Jaquan Brisker, etc.

[mdb1958]

I wonder just how good Sam Williams is! Leo Chenal too.

Just in case we pick up a 70/80ish pick.

For TE I want Tom to get the boy from Youngstown St. for free.

[mdb1958]

No joke, the only thing we could do at 33 that would piss me off (besides, you know, a kicker) would be a running back. Any other position, or a trade down, I'll be fine with. There's absolutely no reason to draft a running back with that pick. None of these guys are rare, elite talents. There will still be very good running backs available later. There will NOT be corners as good as Andrew Booth, safeties as good as Jaquan Brisker, etc.

Thing is, when you have two guards and a center choosing between Jones or Vea blitzing should just wreck offensive lines.

[Defense5599]

I really don’t like this trade now. Really liked Wyatt next to Vea.

And now that Wyatt is off the board, I'm gonna reverse my earlier course and call out this fucking lush of a GM we have. Licht sometimes looks like a genius and sometimes looks like a fucking moron (Aguayo in the second round). This year, he's got the moron look perfected!!!

[MJW]

I really don’t like this trade now. Really liked Wyatt next to Vea.

And now that Wyatt is off the board, I'm gonna reverse my earlier course and call out this fucking lush of a GM we have. Licht sometimes looks like a genius and sometimes looks like a fucking moron (Aguayo in the second round). This year, he's got the moron look perfected!!!

Licht has his guy in mind. That's how Licht is. He locks in. FWIW, I think he knew Wyatt would almost certainly go between 27-32. It wasn't like he was a deep sleeper. Whoever he's targeting at #33, he likes better. Time will decide if he was right.

[MJW]

I'm going to keep reposting this until the pick is in, so it doesn't get lost in the shuffle. I will not tolerate anyone claiming I was on the fence about Travis Jones going forward. Also, I happen to know OBP cares deeply what fans think about these things, so I want them to see it.

DRAFT
TRAVIS
JONES

[TonyLip]

2021 Draft Reminder
Round 1 pick 32. Joe Tryon S. Edge Washington
Round 2, pick 64 – Kyle Trask, QB, Florida
Round 3, pick 95 – Robert Hainsey, G, Notre Dame
Round 4, pick 129 (from SEA) – Jaelon Darden, WR, North Texas
Round 5, pick 176 – K.J. Britt, LB, Auburn
Round 7, pick 251 – Chris Wilcox, CB, BYU
Round 7, pick 259 – Grant Stuard, LB, Houston

Stellar

[MJW]

I missed talking about this at the time, but did anyone else think the Vikings got absolutely trade-raped in that deal with the Lions?

The Lions move up 20 picks, from practically the 2nd round to #12, and they get #46. They pay the Vikings #32, #34, and #66.

Basically:
- The Lions move up 20 picks in the 1st round.
- The Vikings move up 12 picks in the 2nd round, and get a 3rd rounder.

I couldn't believe the Vikings didn't get the 2023 Rams first rounder in this deal.

[Grahamburn]

Do we not like Bernhard Raimann?

[13F11B]

The good thing about having the first pick in the second round is it gave the Buccaneers all night to explore trades.

[Primeminister]

Also, Walker has basically the same skill set as Lenny. Nasty physical runner. Liability as a pass blocker. Unnatural catching the ball.

Not saying it can't happen. Maybe Bowles likes the idea of hitting 'em with Lenny and them hitting them with Lenny light. But it doesn't make much sense to me on paper, and that's even putting aside my general disdain for drafting backs high.

I'd rather look for someone more versatile, like James Cook or Dameon Pierce, a bit later.

Just telling you how I see it, but I agree. I like Cook later. Pierce too. Dean is the only choice here. Period.

How would we play Dean when David and White are on the field damn near every play?

[MJW]

Just telling you how I see it, but I agree. I like Cook later. Pierce too. Dean is the only choice here. Period.

How would we play Dean when David and White are on the field damn near every play?

I would imagine Dean would be drafted as the heir to LVD next year, as JTS was for JPP last year (sorry, that's a lot of letters.) Dude has some serious LVD in his game.

[Primeminister]

How would we play Dean when David and White are on the field damn near every play?

I would imagine Dean would be drafted as the heir to LVD next year, as JTS was for JPP last year (sorry, that's a lot of letters.) Dude has some serious LVD in his game.

I see the LVD in his game and I love it. I just doubt Licht drafts someone who won’t play much during our final TB12 year. If Bowles can figure out some way to get the kid on the field I’ll love it.