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I believe it is necessary for us to focus solely on defense. Sign some key offensive player from free agent
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Phantom wrote: Sun Jan 21, 2024 7:33 pm I believe it is necessary for us to focus solely on defense. Sign some key offensive player from free agent
We need help at edge and badly. Shaq is cooked, JTS is a JAG. Nelly and Diaby are promising players, but with the way we rotate we need a third guy at least. A strong safety who doesn't suck would also be a pleasant change.
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Cheb wrote: Sun Jan 21, 2024 8:20 pm
Phantom wrote: Sun Jan 21, 2024 7:33 pm I believe it is necessary for us to focus solely on defense. Sign some key offensive player from free agent
We need help at edge and badly. Shaq is cooked, JTS is a JAG. Nelly and Diaby are promising players, but with the way we rotate we need a third guy at least. A strong safety who doesn't suck would also be a pleasant change.
Slip Verse a THC brownie at the combine and he’s ours…
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Why not trade Trask to the Steelers for draft pick? They need a QB.
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Phantom wrote: Sun Jan 21, 2024 9:33 pm Why not trade Trask to the Steelers for draft pick? They need a QB.
For one, I like Trask and he's very familiar with the roster and coaching staff.

For two, even backup quarterbacks aren't cheap if you go with an established veteran. Mitch Trubisky made $6 million last year, Jameis made nearly $5 million. Trask is very inexpensive from a cap perspective.

For three, getting rid of Trask just creates another problem of finding a new backup quarterback. As soon as we got rid of him we'd have to start looking for his replacement. Why get a (probably bad) draft pick in return for that kind of headache?
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Cheb wrote: Sun Jan 21, 2024 8:20 pm
Phantom wrote: Sun Jan 21, 2024 7:33 pm I believe it is necessary for us to focus solely on defense. Sign some key offensive player from free agent
We need help at edge and badly. Shaq is cooked, JTS is a JAG. Nelly and Diaby are promising players, but with the way we rotate we need a third guy at least. A strong safety who doesn't suck would also be a pleasant change.
iOL help is needed just as badly as edge. If we are set on inside zone runs we need consistent run blocking from there while also keeping Baker clean.
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We're in need of a linebacker and a cornerback. I believe the Bucs might allow Devin White to leave.
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The needs I see currently are...
Edge Rusher -- we did not get enough from this position this past season.
Cornerback -- at the very least we need depth at this position this past season and I think an upgrade would help.
Linebacker -- I believe we need an upgrade here. I believe Devin White will be on another team next season.

Other than this we need to see how the Bucs FAs go. We may have more holes to fill, but we should have cap space that we did not have last season.
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Jackson Powers-Johnson in the 1st round
Cooper Beebee in the 2nd round

We will have a mauling run blocking O-line that will allow for a more well rounded offensive approach.

Having a terrific edge rusher would be great, but I just don't see how we can possibly draft one with such late draft pick.
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Kiper 1.0 Mock:

Chicago Bears (via CAR) - Caleb Williams, QB, USC

Washington Commanders - Jayden Daniels, QB, LSU

New England Patriots - Drake Maye, QB, North Carolina

Arizona Cardinals - Marvin Harrison Jr., WR, Ohio State

Los Angeles Chargers - Brock Bowers, TE, Georgia

New York Giants - Malik Nabers, WR, LSU

Tennessee Titans - Joe Alt, OT, Notre Dame

Atlanta Falcons - Dallas Turner, OLB, Alabama

Chicago Bears - Rome Odunze, WR, Washington

New York Jets - Olu Fashanu, OT, Penn State

Minnesota Vikings - Nate Wiggins, CB, Clemson

Denver Broncos - Laiatu Latu, OLB, UCLA

Las Vegas Raiders - Terrion Arnold, CB, Alabama

New Orleans Saints - Brian Thomas Jr., WR, LSU

Indianapolis Colts - Keon Coleman, WR, Florida State

Seattle Seahawks - J.J. McCarthy, QB, Michigan

Jacksonville Jaguars - Cooper DeJean, CB, Iowa

Cincinnati Bengals - JC Latham, OT, Alabama

Los Angeles Rams - Jared Verse, DE, Florida State

Pittsburgh Steelers - Kamari Lassiter, CB, Georgia

Miami Dolphins - Troy Fautanu, G, Washington

Philadelphia Eagles - Taliese Fuaga, OT, Oregon State

Houston Texans (via CLE) - Jer'Zhan Newton, DT, Illinois

Dallas Cowboys - Jordan Morgan, OT, Arizona

Green Bay Packers - Kingsley Suamataia, OT, BYU

Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Chop Robinson, DE, Penn State

Arizona Cardinals (via HOU) - Tyler Guyton, OT, Oklahoma

Buffalo Bills - Adonai Mitchell, WR, Texas

Kansas City Chiefs - Troy Franklin, WR, Oregon

Detroit Lions - Quinyon Mitchell, CB, Toledo

Baltimore Ravens - Ennis Rakestraw Jr., CB, Missouri

San Francisco 49ers - Amarius Mims, OT, Georgia
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OLB is a big need. Yaya showed promise but it’s doubtful JTS has his 5th year option picked up. Anthony Nelson is fine for depth. But Shaq likely has played his last game as a Buc.
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For me the main issues assuming we keep our core, is interior OL, S, and ILB. Basically some beasts who can run block and a safety/LB who can cover.
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real bucs fan wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 11:11 pm For me the main issues assuming we keep our core, is interior OL, S, and ILB. Basically some beasts who can run block and a safety/LB who can cover.


Define core.
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Was referring to the guy who could leave. Hoping we keep Canales, Baker, Tristan, Mike and Antoine.
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Better go after the UDFA's again, 2024 seems weak.
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Who is behind the sales job of Chop Robinson to us?
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Kiper has McCarthy as his fourth-ranked quarterback.
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mdb1958 wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2024 6:53 pm Who is behind the sales job of Chop Robinson to us?
People who see our need but not our history of being burned for reaching at Edge.

Honestly, I don't even have a guess as to who we should take in the first. We just have so many FA's of our own to resign, I am not sure what our biggest needs are.

I do know that I absolutely want a guard. I am looking at Beebe in the second. Put a much more talented guard next to Wirfs and open up those running lanes.
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Terry Tate wrote: Fri Jan 26, 2024 10:24 pm
mdb1958 wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2024 6:53 pm Who is behind the sales job of Chop Robinson to us?
People who see our need but not our history of being burned for reaching at Edge.

Honestly, I don't even have a guess as to who we should take in the first. We just have so many FA's of our own to resign, I am not sure what our biggest needs are.

I do know that I absolutely want a guard. I am looking at Beebe in the second. Put a much more talented guard next to Wirfs and open up those running lanes.

Personally I think the greatest thing that could happen for us is this o-line and it's back-ups get great. We all know it takes reps, if we make changes it is reps all over again. But hey, I still look and do sims picking hopeful better players. I would love to have things fall into place to go in another direction though.
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Cheb wrote: Sun Jan 21, 2024 8:20 pm
Phantom wrote: Sun Jan 21, 2024 7:33 pm I believe it is necessary for us to focus solely on defense. Sign some key offensive player from free agent
We need help at edge and badly. Shaq is cooked, JTS is a JAG. Nelly and Diaby are promising players, but with the way we rotate we need a third guy at least. A strong safety who doesn't suck would also be a pleasant change.


I don't know how deep (years) we are looking ahead in the draft prospect wish list but I think the better we avoid free agency the better we get out of this mess.
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mdb1958 wrote: Fri Jan 26, 2024 10:43 pm
Terry Tate wrote: Fri Jan 26, 2024 10:24 pm

People who see our need but not our history of being burned for reaching at Edge.

Honestly, I don't even have a guess as to who we should take in the first. We just have so many FA's of our own to resign, I am not sure what our biggest needs are.

I do know that I absolutely want a guard. I am looking at Beebe in the second. Put a much more talented guard next to Wirfs and open up those running lanes.

Personally I think the greatest thing that could happen for us is this o-line and it's back-ups get great. We all know it takes reps, if we make changes it is reps all over again. But hey, I still look and do sims picking hopeful better players. I would love to have things fall into place to go in another direction though.
That's true of every position. Hainsey and Mauch are still very young players. Maybe they can get good. Stinnie is not, he pretty much is what he is. His spot is one that I would 100% throw an early pick at.
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Terry Tate wrote: Fri Jan 26, 2024 10:24 pm
mdb1958 wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2024 6:53 pm Who is behind the sales job of Chop Robinson to us?
People who see our need but not our history of being burned for reaching at Edge.

Honestly, I don't even have a guess as to who we should take in the first. We just have so many FA's of our own to resign, I am not sure what our biggest needs are.

I do know that I absolutely want a guard. I am looking at Beebe in the second. Put a much more talented guard next to Wirfs and open up those running lanes.
Licht historically doesn’t draft guards. Maybe that’s just coincidence? But, I think there’s a philosophy on the wall at One Buc Place somewhere.
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Grahamburn wrote: Sun Jan 28, 2024 9:48 am
Terry Tate wrote: Fri Jan 26, 2024 10:24 pm

People who see our need but not our history of being burned for reaching at Edge.

Honestly, I don't even have a guess as to who we should take in the first. We just have so many FA's of our own to resign, I am not sure what our biggest needs are.

I do know that I absolutely want a guard. I am looking at Beebe in the second. Put a much more talented guard next to Wirfs and open up those running lanes.
Licht historically doesn’t draft guards. Maybe that’s just coincidence? But, I think there’s a philosophy on the wall at One Buc Place somewhere.
I was thinking early on that Taliese Fuaga would team up real good with Wirfs.
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Licht drafted Kadeem Edwards his very first draft. Marpet played guard in the senior bowl so it's not like he wasn't seen as an iOL. Even if not, he and Cappa have shown versatile OL can become focused specialist on the inside in the next level. And versatility is something we know we value. We also know our OL develop slowly.

I think Mauch is pretty much penciled. Our OTs as well. That leaves us two positions. Of the two, I think the most ROI would come from improving center and I think it should be done via FA. Plenty of good FA centers. Nail that you've got 4/5 locked in.

You leave your LG to maybe more Feiler, Stinnie, maybe Hainsey now. Maybe another versatile rookie, UDFA, or FA.
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Grahamburn wrote: Sun Jan 28, 2024 9:48 am
Terry Tate wrote: Fri Jan 26, 2024 10:24 pm

People who see our need but not our history of being burned for reaching at Edge.

Honestly, I don't even have a guess as to who we should take in the first. We just have so many FA's of our own to resign, I am not sure what our biggest needs are.

I do know that I absolutely want a guard. I am looking at Beebe in the second. Put a much more talented guard next to Wirfs and open up those running lanes.
Licht historically doesn’t draft guards. Maybe that’s just coincidence? But, I think there’s a philosophy on the wall at One Buc Place somewhere.
Didn't he draft Marpet and Mauch as pure guards, among the tackles he's tried to convert. He hasn't drafted a guard in the first but maybe this is the year. Fautanu out of Washington checks all the Licht boxes. He's a tackle the projects to guard. He played for Washington. He's big and athletic. Lastly, he looks like he is of Pacific Islander descent.
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Terry Tate wrote: Tue Jan 30, 2024 1:35 am
Grahamburn wrote: Sun Jan 28, 2024 9:48 am

Licht historically doesn’t draft guards. Maybe that’s just coincidence? But, I think there’s a philosophy on the wall at One Buc Place somewhere.
Didn't he draft Marpet and Mauch as pure guards, among the tackles he's tried to convert. He hasn't drafted a guard in the first but maybe this is the year. Fautanu out of Washington checks all the Licht boxes. He's a tackle the projects to guard. He played for Washington. He's big and athletic. Lastly, he looks like he is of Pacific Islander descent.
I think he drafted them to play guard but they were tackles in college. He doesn’t draft guys that play guard. He converts tackles with elite pass blocking traits. Same with Cappa and Goedeke. Don’t know if the plan for Goedeke was just move to guard or was it out of necessity year 1 or back out to tackle as necessity year 2. Much better as our RT though obviously.

It’s a big reason why we’re so much better as a pass blocking unit versus run blocking.
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Grahamburn wrote: Tue Jan 30, 2024 7:12 am
Terry Tate wrote: Tue Jan 30, 2024 1:35 am

Didn't he draft Marpet and Mauch as pure guards, among the tackles he's tried to convert. He hasn't drafted a guard in the first but maybe this is the year. Fautanu out of Washington checks all the Licht boxes. He's a tackle the projects to guard. He played for Washington. He's big and athletic. Lastly, he looks like he is of Pacific Islander descent.
I think he drafted them to play guard but they were tackles in college. He doesn’t draft guys that play guard. He converts tackles with elite pass blocking traits. Same with Cappa and Goedeke. Don’t know if the plan for Goedeke was just move to guard or was it out of necessity year 1 or back out to tackle as necessity year 2. Much better as our RT though obviously.

It’s a big reason why we’re so much better as a pass blocking unit versus run blocking.
You're right, they were tackles in college. I had to look it up, my memory is faulty.

If he is intentionally focusing on pass blocking, it's hard to fault the logic. Passing wins games, running is the counterpunch.
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Available options play a role.
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Terry Tate wrote: Sun Jan 28, 2024 12:14 am
mdb1958 wrote: Fri Jan 26, 2024 10:43 pm


Personally I think the greatest thing that could happen for us is this o-line and it's back-ups get great. We all know it takes reps, if we make changes it is reps all over again. But hey, I still look and do sims picking hopeful better players. I would love to have things fall into place to go in another direction though.
That's true of every position. Hainsey and Mauch are still very young players. Maybe they can get good. Stinnie is not, he pretty much is what he is. His spot is one that I would 100% throw an early pick at.
Hainsey has two years starting at center. How exactly is he going to get better with 37 games under his belt?
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kaimaru wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 6:56 pm
Terry Tate wrote: Sun Jan 28, 2024 12:14 am

That's true of every position. Hainsey and Mauch are still very young players. Maybe they can get good. Stinnie is not, he pretty much is what he is. His spot is one that I would 100% throw an early pick at.
Hainsey has two years starting at center. How exactly is he going to get better with 37 games under his belt?
He is part way trained in two run offensive systems?
I admit that I have no way of knowing how many center prospects in this draft will be better after 37 games. We will more than likely miss most of them unless we pick one in the first round.
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kaimaru wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 6:56 pm
Terry Tate wrote: Sun Jan 28, 2024 12:14 am

That's true of every position. Hainsey and Mauch are still very young players. Maybe they can get good. Stinnie is not, he pretty much is what he is. His spot is one that I would 100% throw an early pick at.
Hainsey has two years starting at center. How exactly is he going to get better with 37 games under his belt?
Some guys get better. Some guys get worse. Some guys stay the same. There's no arbitrary number of games or experience that's going to tell you one way or the other.

A lot of guys get better when they players around them get better. Maybe Mauch will improve in his second year and they'll add a quality LG to sandwich Hainsey and help him out?
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Pretty sure our most run yardage came from running behind Stinnie.
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If I were the Bears, I would keep the 1st overall pick and draft Caleb Williams.
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