2021 NFL Season

[nybf]

So last night that NFL and the refs got too brazen with their blatant game fixing and Vegas influence.

A ref literally hip checked a Bears player so he could throw the flag.

A bears player got flagged for looking at the sidelines 30 yards away from him.

With every week that passes the league becomes a bigger embarrassment.

You have half of a good point and you spoil it with nonsense.

No, the league isn't fixing games. There is no financial incentive Vegas, the Mob, or anyone else could offer for them to risk the entire operation, which is what "games fixing" would do to the league. They print money. They're not going to risk that for the Steelers to cover or whatever. And if that was what they wanted, they sure as hell miss A LOT of great money-making opportunities with how things usually turn out in the league.

As for the rest of it, I agree. The flag was mind-boggling and it sure as hell looked like the ref gave the guy a little back-check when he passed by. Could have been incidental. But no way that flag should have been thrown on the player. Important to remember that refs are humans also and many humans are trash.

There were also 3 straight plays where the steelers should have no called for roughing the passer. One was borderline, but shit we get called for. The other 2 were blatant. One of them would have resulted in offsetting penalties. The last one would have given the bears a 1st down and renewed life.

I hate lugz shit as much as any one else, but the officiating last night was clearly slanted beyond the normal "officiating has gone to shit" that we've been subjected to every week this year.

[MJW]

You have half of a good point and you spoil it with nonsense.

No, the league isn't fixing games. There is no financial incentive Vegas, the Mob, or anyone else could offer for them to risk the entire operation, which is what "games fixing" would do to the league. They print money. They're not going to risk that for the Steelers to cover or whatever. And if that was what they wanted, they sure as hell miss A LOT of great money-making opportunities with how things usually turn out in the league.

As for the rest of it, I agree. The flag was mind-boggling and it sure as hell looked like the ref gave the guy a little back-check when he passed by. Could have been incidental. But no way that flag should have been thrown on the player. Important to remember that refs are humans also and many humans are trash.

There were also 3 straight plays where the steelers should have no called for roughing the passer. One was borderline, but shit we get called for. The other 2 were blatant. One of them would have resulted in offsetting penalties. The last one would have given the bears a 1st down and renewed life.

I hate lugz shit as much as any one else, but the officiating last night was clearly slanted beyond the normal "officiating has gone to shit" that we've been subjected to every week this year.

Despite your very best efforts, I consider you a grounded poster.

You honestly believe the refs had a league-mandated (or hell, even personal) agenda with how they called the game?

That's just always going to be a bridge too far for me. At least, the "conspiracy" angle. We saw that shit with the NBA ref Tim whatever a few years ago. I guess I can see how that could happen. But four refs on the field, working in concert to help ensure an outcome, presumably because of dictates from the league? I just can't ever accept the risks being worth the reward. Literally the only thing that could kill football is games fixing.

[BJJ34]

To those who think the game is rigged…

How do you explain a player getting hit directly on the ball causing a fumble? Have you ever been hit by a 250 lb player before? The game is far from rigged. Just teams trying their best to win. I honestly thought the Bears player got flagged for doing a wild kick but the replay showed the “taunting”. It’s unfortunate for the Bears LB as he had been cut from the Steelers in preseason. This was his “I got you” moment, and the ref was big dicking him.

I’m for refs, i like the human aspect of reffing… but my god. We have a guy spotting the ball after watching guys run full speed at 22 mph and being stopped immediately. Then there’s a cluster of players and the guy 30 yards off the ball has to be the one to spot it. It’s just a shit gig. They need to incorporate technology into reffing, and do it ASAP.

Justin Fields was beat the fuck up too. Pittsburgh definitely had the bias of the refs in the game. The PI to set up the FG to make it 6 points was definitely not DPI. If anything OPI. But in all honesty, a really good play by the defenser.

[BJJ34]

He's a stat guy. Not much of a difference maker. He's a #1 that probably should've been a #2. Nothing against Robinson. But when you look at the list below, you can't name 2 WRs you'd take him over.

Tyreek Hill
Mike Evans
Davante Adams
DeAndre Hopkins
Stefon Diggs
DK Metcalf
Keenan Allen
Cooper Kupp

For the same cost, I'd pick all 3 of our top WRs over Robinson.

I think I would too, Robinson maybe over AB just due to age and health. There aren’t many receivers I’d take over our three though.

Speaking of great receivers… i keep having flashbacks of how good Andre Johnson was.

[nybf]

There were also 3 straight plays where the steelers should have no called for roughing the passer. One was borderline, but shit we get called for. The other 2 were blatant. One of them would have resulted in offsetting penalties. The last one would have given the bears a 1st down and renewed life.

I hate lugz shit as much as any one else, but the officiating last night was clearly slanted beyond the normal "officiating has gone to shit" that we've been subjected to every week this year.

Despite your very best efforts, I consider you a grounded poster.

You honestly believe the refs had a league-mandated (or hell, even personal) agenda with how they called the game?

That's just always going to be a bridge too far for me. At least, the "conspiracy" angle. We saw that shit with the NBA ref Tim whatever a few years ago. I guess I can see how that could happen. But four refs on the field, working in concert to help ensure an outcome, presumably because of dictates from the league? I just can't ever accept the risks being worth the reward. Literally the only thing that could kill football is games fixing.

I don't honestly believe it. But last night something was going on.

And it wouldn't kill it. Like you said, they found it in the NBA and after the initial outrage, it was gone.

You want to eliminate these questions and discussions? In all major sports, officials need to start being held accountable. When there are blatantly bad games (like last night was) the league needs to look at that crew. Figure out what went wrong. And when (if?) it's found to just be a case of incompetence, something has to be done. Fine, suspension, something. But more often than not, these guys are lauded and the bad ones are often given higher profile assignments. This crew will get a playoff game.

[King Bootz]

Something is going on. Reaching for a flag before contact is even made?

[BJJ34]

Something is going on. Reaching for a flag before contact is even made?

He was throwing it for the taunting at their sidelines, not the contact.

It’s a bad call either way in the heat of the moment.

[ATrain]

Imagine thinking that the NFL is a cleanly run org with no forms of corruption.

I mean the housing market was rigged and corrupt so badly that it threatened to cause an economic apocalypse. We've seen it countless times.

But people want to believe in the purity of the NFL for some reason and will gladly jump on hand grenades just to keep their fantasies intact.

[ATrain]

On an unrelated note, OBJ has apparently said he likes the Seahawks and I hope they land him. The Cardinals still have two games with the Hawks and the Rams have one. At least splitting the series with each will help the Bucs by a good margin. I'll be a closet Seahawksfan on those games for sure.

[BJJ34]

Imagine thinking that the NFL is a cleanly run org with no forms of corruption.

I mean the housing market was rigged and corrupt so badly that it threatened to cause an economic apocalypse. We've seen it countless times.

But people want to believe in the purity of the NFL for some reason and will gladly jump on hand grenades just to keep their fantasies intact.

I refuse to believe it could be rigged until there is factual proof. It’s more of a “I love this” then ignorance. No one wants to believe their girlfriend is cheating on them until they see the texts.

[ATrain]

Imagine thinking that the NFL is a cleanly run org with no forms of corruption.

I mean the housing market was rigged and corrupt so badly that it threatened to cause an economic apocalypse. We've seen it countless times.

But people want to believe in the purity of the NFL for some reason and will gladly jump on hand grenades just to keep their fantasies intact.

I refuse to believe it could be rigged until there is factual proof. It’s more of a “I love this” then ignorance. No one wants to believe their girlfriend is cheating on them until they see the texts.

Fair enough. And right now you don't have the Text messages as proof. Instead you have your girlfriend suddenly working later hours after she mentioned a new guy at work that she's friends with. You have weird behavior with her phone. You've noticed knowing glances between your GF and the new guy when you dropped her off some Subway for lunch. Oh and that ring you got her for her Bday? Oddly she's not wearing it to work anymore.

The text messages are a mere formality at this point.

[Buc2]

Something is going on. Reaching for a flag before contact is even made?

The player even changed up his gait/path to avoid the ref when he saw him. That's why the ref had to stick his ass out so he'd still get bumped.

[King Bootz]

Something is going on. Reaching for a flag before contact is even made?

He was throwing it for the taunting at their sidelines, not the contact.

It’s a bad call either way in the heat of the moment.

How the hell do you explain this? Like @Buc2 said the Bears player clearly tried to move out of the way and the ref had to go out of his way to impede.

[Max]

Imagine thinking that the NFL is a cleanly run org with no forms of corruption.

I mean the housing market was rigged and corrupt so badly that it threatened to cause an economic apocalypse. We've seen it countless times.

But people want to believe in the purity of the NFL for some reason and will gladly jump on hand grenades just to keep their fantasies intact.

You have to be functionally retarded to believe the NFL would risk the integrity of its billion-dollar business model to make some change off fixing games (for whatever reason).

[ATrain]

Imagine thinking that the NFL is a cleanly run org with no forms of corruption.

I mean the housing market was rigged and corrupt so badly that it threatened to cause an economic apocalypse. We've seen it countless times.

But people want to believe in the purity of the NFL for some reason and will gladly jump on hand grenades just to keep their fantasies intact.

You have to be functionally retarded to believe the NFL would risk the integrity of its billion-dollar business model to make some change off fixing games (for whatever reason).

Oh my sweet summer child. The integrity of the game? hahahaahahaha

[BJJ34]

I refuse to believe it could be rigged until there is factual proof. It’s more of a “I love this” then ignorance. No one wants to believe their girlfriend is cheating on them until they see the texts.

Fair enough. And right now you don't have the Text messages as proof. Instead you have your girlfriend suddenly working later hours after she mentioned a new guy at work that she's friends with. You have weird behavior with her phone. You've noticed knowing glances between your GF and the new guy when you dropped her off some Subway for lunch. Oh and that ring you got her for her Bday? Oddly she's not wearing it to work anymore.

The text messages are a mere formality at this point.

The game turned last night on the fumble recovery touchdown. There is no "this is rigged" talk unless that play doesn't happen. There is no rigging a player getting crushed ON THE BALL and fumbling. It's a part of the game. It's a different story if Ben would have thrown a screen directly to a Bears player.

There is no 'this is a formality' talk. There are certain circumstances that are coincidences. The game is played for 60 minutes and some teams just straight up don't have the stamina to last all 60. Reffing is a part of the game, and I think we need to incorporate a few things to make the game better.

1. A chip in the ball that precisely places the ball down at the right moment. We have a 15 billion dollar industry, you mean to tell me this technology isn't possible? They track the speed of a player from a chip in their helmet. Why not sync those chips up.

2. Review initiated by the booth on both live plays and penalities called. The fact that a penalty can change the game is enough to have these plays reviewed. We have no idea what a catch is, no idea what roughing the passer is, no idea what holding is because they're all called sporadically.

3. Press conferences for refs to explain their reasoning behind certain calls. Not just a note from them that says "we fucked up" two weeks later. Hold these men accountable in a bigger light. You can't have a ref big dicking a player.

[Dread]

Anyone want to wager on their status for Sunday? I'll take both being out.

[IchabodCrane84]

Anyone want to wager on their status for Sunday? I'll take both being out.

D'Ernest Johnson? Didn't that take home best porn of the year in '89?

[Caradoc]

Anyone want to wager on their status for Sunday? I'll take both being out.

D'Ernest Johnson? Didn't that take home best porn of the year in '89?

No, that was '88. Free Willy won in '89

[acmillis]

Anyone want to wager on their status for Sunday? I'll take both being out.

Are they, "immunized?"

[King Bootz]

Anyone want to wager on their status for Sunday? I'll take both being out.

Are they, "immunized?"

They are immunized.....

[kaimaru]

I would even add Cee Dee Lamb, DK Metcalf, and Marquise Brown to that list. And wooo, Jamar Chase is looking elite the first half of this season.

Chase drops the ball too much, and has fumble issues. Hollywood, nah. I’m taking Robinson. Cee Dee maybe though, but more likely Robinson.

As good as Tyreke Hill is, I’ve never been a fan of his game.

Two things, I wasn't putting Ja'Marr Chase in the hall or anything. Yes, he has fumbling issues and drops. He's a rookie. But when he's locked in, that kid looks real good.

[kaimaru]

To those who think the game is rigged…

How do you explain a player getting hit directly on the ball causing a fumble? Have you ever been hit by a 250 lb player before? The game is far from rigged. Just teams trying their best to win. I honestly thought the Bears player got flagged for doing a wild kick but the replay showed the “taunting”. It’s unfortunate for the Bears LB as he had been cut from the Steelers in preseason. This was his “I got you” moment, and the ref was big dicking him.

I’m for refs, i like the human aspect of reffing… but my god. We have a guy spotting the ball after watching guys run full speed at 22 mph and being stopped immediately. Then there’s a cluster of players and the guy 30 yards off the ball has to be the one to spot it. It’s just a shit gig. They need to incorporate technology into reffing, and do it ASAP.

Justin Fields was beat the fuck up too. Pittsburgh definitely had the bias of the refs in the game. The PI to set up the FG to make it 6 points was definitely not DPI. If anything OPI. But in all honesty, a really good play by the defenser.

Here is the but. NFL rules changes included replay officials interrupting the game in progress for:

What can the replay official weigh in on?
• Penalty enforcement, proper down, spot of a foul, game clock or possession
• Completed or intercepted pass
• Touching of a loose ball, boundary line, goal line or end line
• Location of the football or a player in relation to the boundary line, the line of scrimmage, the line to gain or the goal line
• Down by contact (when a player is not ruled down by contact on the field)

How many obvious hand to the face calls aren't called this year? Maybe the reply official thought he was taunting and called down the penalty? IDK. Would explain the long delay. Probably the same on the extremely long pass interference calls. I thought that change was to make sure obvious missed calls, but if they are. They are certainly picking and choosing which ones to call down to the field.

[Snake]

[AJPG]

Welcome to second place in the NFC south. Saints are the best team in our division.

What a disaster.

LMFAO

[AJPG]

Lamar Jackson with what could be the game losing interception.

LMFAO

[AJPG]

The last time Tom Brady was too big to fail he won 4 more Super Bowls. Meditate upon the verses of Genesis 49:8-12 and tell me God does not whisper those same words into Tom Brady's ear every night before he goes to sleep like Jacob did to Judah

Brady has been subpar for the past month but I still have faith in him. Wouldn't want any other QB.

LMFAO
Last 4 games: 3-1

324 yds, 70%, 8.1 avg, 15 TD/3 INT, 117.1 Rtg.

[Snake]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... extortion/

Horrifying.

[AJPG]

I did. Once again led his team in rushing yards. Led another come from behind win.

He also had an abysmal first half throwing the ball and wasn’t really good in the second half either. But let’s ignore that.

He isn’t even in the race.

MVP Favorites
Tom Brady +350
Josh Allen +400
Kyler Murray +550
Matthew Stafford +700
Aaron Rodgers +900
Lamar Jackson +900
Dak Prescott +1000
Justin Herbert +1800
Ryan Tannehil1 +5000
Derek Carr +5000
Patrick Mahomes +6000
Joe Burrow +6000

[kaimaru]

I am stunned how well the Dolphins are slowing down the Ravens offense. I thought the defense is doing fantastic but lol Brissett. He's still gonna lose. Now, IDK. If the defense keeps playing like that, we should probably be worried playing WFT as the underdog winning appears to be continuing.

[kaimaru]

That Robert Hunt reception should have stood. That was awesome.

[acmillis]

How many of Lamars passes have gone more than a few yards beyond the LOS… maybe a handful?!?!? It’s almost like they’re trying to protect him from something.

[King Bootz]

Dolphins on the way to beating the Ravens.

Let this be an indication to the folks that think winning in the NFL is easy, it ain’t l

[MJW]

Dolphins on the way to beating the Ravens.

Let this be an indication to the folks that think winning in the NFL is easy, it ain’t l

This is a point we will always agree on.

There have only been a couple winless teams in NFL history. Which means that even the worst teams in the league, year in, year out, won as underdogs once or twice. Maybe as heavy underdogs.

[air-buc-pirate]

Last Sunday was full of upsets and Tonight continued the trend.