Week 17 Discussion

[Navybuc]

Which brings me to an interesting question...would you rather promote Canales to HC here if you're going to lose him or keep Bowles as HC and let Canales take another job? We saw this experiment fail in 2009 but that was then, this is now.

Where the Steeles have their tradition of mainly promoting their position coaches, this unfortunately is the Bucs tradition of hiring HCs under the Glazers. Raheem Morris. Dirk Koetter. Todd Bowles. We have got to stop firing HCs because we fear coordinators behind them will get jobs elsewhere. That's supposed to happen. If you know what you're doing, you have a replacement for your coordinators on your roster already.

I think the difference is that many think Canales is actually a better coach than Bowles. Bowles was never really scouted to be HC, he was just promoted from DC to HC to keep the staff intact when Arians abruptly retired (*cough* forced out *cough). He doesn't exactly have a great track record as HC going back to the Jets, and the Bucs defense this year has looked ugly against some of the good teams we've played. The offense has carried us, and that's credit to Canales.

That said, I don't think the Glazers make the move, and while I think Canales will get looks, I don't think he gets a HC job.

[Kress]

I seriously doubt Canales is a HC candidate. He's done a nice job..... so far..... but a guy you're going to hand the keys to the kingdom?

No.

[Backside]

I seriously doubt Canales is a HC candidate. He's done a nice job..... so far..... but a guy you're going to hand the keys to the kingdom?

No.

Lot of HC openings and some cheap teams out there. I could see the Chargers going after him instead of throwing the bag at Harbaugh or Ben Johnson. But hopefully he slips through this cycle at least.

[BucsNBills]

Surely with a last name like Canales we'll get diversity picks if he takes a HC gig, right?

[Bootz]

Where the Steeles have their tradition of mainly promoting their position coaches, this unfortunately is the Bucs tradition of hiring HCs under the Glazers. Raheem Morris. Dirk Koetter. Todd Bowles. We have got to stop firing HCs because we fear coordinators behind them will get jobs elsewhere. That's supposed to happen. If you know what you're doing, you have a replacement for your coordinators on your roster already.

I think the difference is that many think Canales is actually a better coach than Bowles.

Who are the people that think this? I've never seen this mentioned before. Canales has been a playcaller for 15 games in his entire career. What proof is there that he be a leader of men?

And we've been "carried" by the 17th ranked offense in football? Really? You're not convincing anybody that this is true. Not even yourself.

[Bootz]

Red jerseys!

[Phantom]

NFL viewership numbers from the Christmas games:

- Raiders-Chiefs: 29.17M
- Giants-Eagles: 29.02M
- Ravens-49ers: 27.23M

[Backside]

Media has been gassing up the Bucs a lot this week. And I've bought all the way into this team. My conditioning has led to all of the letdown alarm bells going off in my head, but I don't want to listen.

If we keep playing like we have been, we are a way better team than the Saints. Dispose of them and celebrate a division win. Then it is fucking on.

[Navybuc]

I think the difference is that many think Canales is actually a better coach than Bowles.

Who are the people that think this? I've never seen this mentioned before. Canales has been a playcaller for 15 games in his entire career. What proof is there that he be a leader of men?

And we've been "carried" by the 17th ranked offense in football? Really? You're not convincing anybody that this is true. Not even yourself.

Based on the posts on this board, a lot of people think that way. Plus some radio people I’ve tuned into this week have said Canales is more valuable than Bowles.

As for rankings, offensive numbers can be misleading given our struggles early in the year. What’s our offensive ranking since post-49ers game?

[ImYourHuckleBerry831]

Hard to say without more info. With what you said, KW3.

[Doctor]

Yeah I still rather take the healthy RB with the better match up in ETN.

[Jonny]

NFL viewership numbers from the Christmas games:

- Raiders-Chiefs: 29.17M
- Giants-Eagles: 29.02M
- Ravens-49ers: 27.23M

Don't care if the viewership was higher or lower in previous years' Christmas games. Those are some crazy good numbers. I'm pretty sure NBA Finals or MLB world series doesn't get half of those numbers.

[Bootz]

Who are the people that think this? I've never seen this mentioned before. Canales has been a playcaller for 15 games in his entire career. What proof is there that he be a leader of men?

And we've been "carried" by the 17th ranked offense in football? Really? You're not convincing anybody that this is true. Not even yourself.

Based on the posts on this board, a lot of people think that way. Plus some radio people I’ve tuned into this week have said Canales is more valuable than Bowles.

As for rankings, offensive numbers can be misleading given our struggles early in the year. What’s our offensive ranking since post-49ers game?

That actually makes the position that "Canales is more valuable" even worse. That means you're only looking at a very small sample size and making an extremely knee jerk decision based off of less than a month of data.

[Doctor]

Who are the people that think this? I've never seen this mentioned before. Canales has been a playcaller for 15 games in his entire career. What proof is there that he be a leader of men?

And we've been "carried" by the 17th ranked offense in football? Really? You're not convincing anybody that this is true. Not even yourself.

Based on the posts on this board, a lot of people think that way. Plus some radio people I’ve tuned into this week have said Canales is more valuable than Bowles.

As for rankings, offensive numbers can be misleading given our struggles early in the year. What’s our offensive ranking since post-49ers game?

I believe it. People are prisoners of the moment and the moment is the offense coming alive. Canales is also easy to follow and it doesn't hurt that he's got the look of a Disney channel movie coach. His leadership and intangibles are strong but he still has a lot of growing to do.

Also, despite several SB winning HC having rough starting gigs, some people simple can't let go of the jets saga as his final definition. Nevermind NYJ being a known sink hole of a franchise. But all the negativity is from outsiders, fans and media looking for clicks. The idea of their own freshly plucked wunderkind offensive HC is enticing. Actual coworkers really like him.

I think Bowles and Canales make a great team. Honestly the roles and responsibilities and expertise are so well defined, you could swap HC to Canales and I think very little changes. Even personnel is compartmentalized to Jason Licht who does a great job of understanding football and what his coaches are doing and getting the best players to do it with.

OBP is a very well organized and run machine. You hear them all speak to it, being in the same page, trusting their process. I think the right man for each job is at that job.

[Kress]

Based on the posts on this board, a lot of people think that way. Plus some radio people I’ve tuned into this week have said Canales is more valuable than Bowles.

As for rankings, offensive numbers can be misleading given our struggles early in the year. What’s our offensive ranking since post-49ers game?

I believe it. People are prisoners of the moment and the moment is the offense coming alive. Canales is also easy to follow and it doesn't hurt that he's got the look of a Disney channel movie coach. His leadership and intangibles are strong but he still has a lot of growing to do.

Also, despite several SB winning HC having rough starting gigs, some people simple can't let go of the jets saga as his final definition. Nevermind NYJ being a known sink hole of a franchise. But all the negativity is from outsiders, fans and media looking for clicks. The idea of their own freshly plucked wunderkind offensive HC is enticing. Actual coworkers really like him.

I think Bowles and Canales make a great team. Honestly the roles and responsibilities and expertise are so well defined, you could swap HC to Canales and I think very little changes. Even personnel is compartmentalized to Jason Licht who does a great job of understanding football and what his coaches are doing and getting the best players to do it with.

OBP is a very well organized and run machine. You hear them all speak to it, being in the same page, trusting their process. I think the right man for each job is at that job.

I love all that. But then there is that sonofabitch that is ego, and ego amongst Alpha dogs.

[Navybuc]

Based on the posts on this board, a lot of people think that way. Plus some radio people I’ve tuned into this week have said Canales is more valuable than Bowles.

As for rankings, offensive numbers can be misleading given our struggles early in the year. What’s our offensive ranking since post-49ers game?

That actually makes the position that "Canales is more valuable" even worse. That means you're only looking at a very small sample size and making an extremely knee jerk decision based off of less than a month of data.

I don’t know about that. To me, it shows he’s able to take a struggling product and turn it around. He’s able to effectively make adjustments. And of course he now has a history of revitalizing players’ careers. I’d say that makes him an attractive candidate for some teams. Enough to get him a HC job next year? Prolly not. Maybe if they beat Dallas in Round 1.

[Doctor]

So he was able to do what everyone at OBP had been saying we're going to do.

Now you aren't wrong that Canales would be the next hot thing. Especially if year 2 Baker is a success. QB whisperer label is already being thrown around. That is a golden ticket in this league.

[Bootz]

That actually makes the position that "Canales is more valuable" even worse. That means you're only looking at a very small sample size and making an extremely knee jerk decision based off of less than a month of data.

I don’t know about that. To me, it shows he’s able to take a struggling product and turn it around. He’s able to effectively make adjustments. And of course he now has a history of revitalizing players’ careers. I’d say that makes him an attractive candidate for some teams. Enough to get him a HC job next year? Prolly not. Maybe if they beat Dallas in Round 1.

You're describing someone who makes a good coordinator. You're not describing HC material. Besides IF some team wanted to make Canales their HC, by this logic our QB coach could just take over with no issues.

[Navybuc]

I don’t know about that. To me, it shows he’s able to take a struggling product and turn it around. He’s able to effectively make adjustments. And of course he now has a history of revitalizing players’ careers. I’d say that makes him an attractive candidate for some teams. Enough to get him a HC job next year? Prolly not. Maybe if they beat Dallas in Round 1.

You're describing someone who makes a good coordinator. You're not describing HC material. Besides IF some team wanted to make Canales their HC, by this logic our QB coach could just take over with no issues.

Well, every HC starts out as a good coordinator. That's how they get their chance. If you do a good job, someone takes a chance on you. Sean McVay changed the hiring culture. Over the last 5 years, the "young" coordinators are getting more looks now. Hence, why it's possible Canales could garner some interest next year.

[Grahamburn]

I'm enamored with Canales every time I listen to him speak. He's engaging and dynamic. We can expect he'll be an HC candidate extremely soon, but hopefully not for another year or two.

[Cheb]

If Canales gets offered a head coaching gig, I wish him well and enjoy my comp picks. I wouldn't fire Bowles and hire Cannales instead. As likeable as our OC seems to be, he's too inexperienced for my taste to trust him in the long term, and it isn't like the offense is exactly lighting up scoreboards on a weekly basis.

[Snake]

Hiring Canales as a HC this offseason would be something a bad organization would do.

[GreatTimes]

Young HC's haven't had the time to get well known by other assistant coaches. Thus, young HC's are not able to fill out talented assistant coaching staff. That is what often leads to their demise. And some OC's and DC's just are not cut out to be HC's.

[kaimaru]

Or Steelers. Or Bears. Or Commanders. Or *gasp* 49ers..

Steelers I could see. Bears and Commanders are more likely to draft someone IMO. I think the Vikings may be the favorites. Wouldn’t shock me if Kirk and Russ legit ended up swapping teams and Cousins ended up in Denver.

This might be interesting

Payton might be looking for Wilson’s replacement before his second season in Denver. Baker Mayfield of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers could provide the Broncos with a “fairly high ceiling” at quarterback in 2024, according to Lou Scataglia of Predominantly Orange.

“Baker Mayfield is also going to be significantly cheaper than Wilson and is just 28 years old, while Wilson recently turned 35. So, not only was Sean Payton a huge fan of Mayfield at one point, he likely still is and is probably already looking to see who he could replace Russell Wilson with. Mayfield isn’t a slouch, either. He’s won a playoff game and nearly led his Cleveland Browns team to a divisional round upset over the Kansas City Chiefs a few years ago,” Scataglia wrote in his article published December 18, adding:

“Baker Mayfield also profiles closer to Drew Brees than Russell Wilson does, and I think Payton would also see that as a huge plus. Mayfield is currently playing on a one-year, $4 million deal. Even when he likely demands a richer contract from someone, it probably won’t be over $20 million per season.”

[kaimaru]

Let's say we best the Saints this week and clinch the division.

Do we play to win the final week or rest the starters??

Bowles already said he isn't resting anyone

[Snake]

Russell Wilson refuses to play within the system. There’s a reason he leads the league in sacks since he’s been in the NFL. And it’s not just his offensive lines. He bails on pockets all the time and struggles to see to the middle of the field.

[Babeinbucland]

mdb is at Epcot again thinking he’s on another continent.

Ok THAT was funny!

[Babeinbucland]

Let's say we best the Saints this week and clinch the division.

Do we play to win the final week or rest the starters??

A 10 win season and a 6 game winning streak to close it out would be quite an accomplishment, but I don't think you start anyone who could use a week to rest up. They started Brady last year, but I think they felt like they wanted to get some rhythm and momentum because the offense had been so brutal all year.

We seem to always come out flat after a buy or rest. So I say play em’

[Babeinbucland]

Canales is also easy to follow and it doesn't hurt that he's got the look of a Disney channel movie coach.

This was your most salient point correct?

[Bootz]

[Phantom]

A 10 win season and a 6 game winning streak to close it out would be quite an accomplishment, but I don't think you start anyone who could use a week to rest up. They started Brady last year, but I think they felt like they wanted to get some rhythm and momentum because the offense had been so brutal all year.

We seem to always come out flat after a buy or rest. So I say play em’

I agree, and we're the hottest team besides the Ravens.

[BucsNBills]

I hope CD3 can play.

[13F11B]

My lord the Jets suck.

[Bootz]

Watching David Njoku Absolutely run wild on the Jets while OJ Howard sits on the unemployment line after God knows how many teams he's been on irks the hell out of me.

[Doctor]

To be fair it took Njoku 7 years...

Hall is just so special.