Week 8 Matchup: Ravens(4-3) @ Buccaneers(3-4) Discussion

[Kress]

Due to impressive alliteration, I will accept that response regardless of its merit.

That's nice. Currently #7 in the league in rushing yards. 4.3 YPC. So there's that.

Not that I disagree with the alliterative point.

[King Bootz]

Not sure who @Kress is talking about is #7 in the league or a 4.3 yard/rush average but it ain't the Bucs. They are #32 in yards per game and yards/rush at 3.0 yards.

Edit: #7 rushing team so far is Detroit at 145.7 yards/game. Only teams averaging 4.3 /rush are Minnesota and Dallas.

[Kress]

Not sure who @Kress is talking about is #7 in the league or a 4.3 yard/rush average but it ain't the Bucs. They are #32 in yards per game and yards/rush at 3.0 yards.

Edit: #7 rushing team so far is Detroit at 145.7 yards/game. Only teams averaging 4.3 /rush are Minnesota and Dallas.

Well, shit. The allmighty Google Bot failed me. I was on my phone, so maybe I didn't notice that it pulled up a single week or something?

[_MB_]

Due to impressive alliteration, I will accept that response regardless of its merit.

Right?

That was pretty damned pithy. I couldn't not upvote it.

[acmillis]

If Lamar Jackson is everything people says he is, and he's motivated to play for this gigantic bloated contract he feels he deserves, how DOESN'T he annihilate us?

Because if the Lamar can't dispatch a Bucs team that's without their entire secondary, that has an undisciplined defense overall, that's depending on an anemic offense led by a mentally marooned QB with poor protection and the WORST RUSHING ATTACK OF ALL TIME...Then maybe Lamar needs to accept whatever contract the Ravens offered him and be happy he got paid at all.

I'm on record as Lamar not being that dude, but you're really going to judge the merits of a players worthiness of a contract based on one game? I'm hoping he is horrible tonight, but he's still going to be paid, and, my bias aside, rightfully so.

IMO, you're never winning a SB with him, but do the Ravens want to find out what life is like without him? I doubt it. However, if they do, there are probably about 20 teams that would jettison their current starter to pay Lamar $50M/year, and probably half of those teams would guarantee him the entire contract.

[The Outsider]

If you can win a Super Bowl with Nick Foles you can win a Super Bowl with Lamar Jackson are you guys kidding me?

[acmillis]

If you can win a Super Bowl with Nick Foles you can win a Super Bowl with Lamar Jackson are you guys kidding me?

I just don't see Lamar being able to do this against 3 or 4 playoff caliber teams:

Foles completed 77 of his 106 playoff pass attempts (72.6%) for 971 yards (9.2 average), six touchdowns, one interception, and a 115.7 passer rating

[Rocker]

Are we really going to debate Lamar’s chops as a passer again?

Fucking really?

[Capsaicin]

Bucs are currently favored to win. I’ve got my hopes up for a win tonight boys

[Capsaicin]

Are we really going to debate Lamar’s chops as a passer again?

Fucking really?

I thinks it’s more of a defense and good coaching wins championships debate

[King Bootz]

Don't tell me a QB that's won nearly 75% of the games he's played can't win a Superbowl.

[King Bootz]

Bucs are currently favored to win. I’ve got my hopes up for a win tonight boys

Wonder if the Calais Campbell absence gave us a leg up in Vegas?

[acmillis]

Are we really going to debate Lamar’s chops as a passer again?

Fucking really?

Last season he completed 64.4% (very good), but had 16 TDs and 13 INTs. Sure, I'd be willing to debate his chops as a passer.

[The Outsider]

If you can win a Super Bowl with Nick Foles you can win a Super Bowl with Lamar Jackson are you guys kidding me?

I just don't see Lamar being able to do this against 3 or 4 playoff caliber teams:

Foles completed 77 of his 106 playoff pass attempts (72.6%) for 971 yards (9.2 average), six touchdowns, one interception, and a 115.7 passer rating

Lamar's a 64% passer for his career with a roughly 3:1 TD:INT ratio. BDN is a 62% passer for his career with a slightly worse than 2:1 TD:INT ratio.

You're saying that someone who is a statistically poorer passer is somehow able to put together that stretch of games but Lamar isn't?

[acmillis]

Don't tell me a QB that's won nearly 75% of the games he's played can't win a Superbowl.

Mark Sanchez was 4-2 in the playoffs, any chance he wins a SB?

[King Bootz]

Don't tell me a QB that's won nearly 75% of the games he's played can't win a Superbowl.

Mark Sanchez was 4-2 in the playoffs, any chance he wins a SB?

He's retired now, so probably not.

[acmillis]

I just don't see Lamar being able to do this against 3 or 4 playoff caliber teams:

Foles completed 77 of his 106 playoff pass attempts (72.6%) for 971 yards (9.2 average), six touchdowns, one interception, and a 115.7 passer rating

Lamar's a 64% passer for his career with a roughly 3:1 TD:INT ratio. BDN is a 62% passer for his career with a slightly worse than 2:1 TD:INT ratio.

You're saying that someone who is a statistically poorer passer is somehow able to put together that stretch of games but Lamar isn't?

Correct, I'd be willing to bet that Lamar could not have a playoff run like BDN did, sure, against 3-4 playoff teams, yes.

[13F11B]

Bucs are currently favored to win. I’ve got my hopes up for a win tonight boys

Why? What the hell is Vegas looking at?

[The Outsider]

Lamar's a 64% passer for his career with a roughly 3:1 TD:INT ratio. BDN is a 62% passer for his career with a slightly worse than 2:1 TD:INT ratio.

You're saying that someone who is a statistically poorer passer is somehow able to put together that stretch of games but Lamar isn't?

Correct, I'd be willing to bet that Lamar could not have a playoff run like BDN did, sure, against 3-4 playoff teams, yes.

Why? There's no empirical evidence, statistic, etc. that supports this notion. In fact, there is every reason to believe the opposite based on his winning % and TD:INT ratio alone.

[King Bootz]

[BucsNBills]

This will be an embarrassing loss for the Ravens if they don't get out of Tampa with a W

Ravens are top 10 3rd down offense, we're one of the worst in the league with 3rd down defense

We're one of the worst teams in the league on 3rd down offense. Ravens have top 10 3rd down defense

We're one of the worst teams in the Red Zone defense, Ravens are top 12

Ravens have outscored opponents by 66 points in the first 3 quarters, we've yet to score a first quarter TD.

We've yet to beat an opponent this year when trailing in the half

We have THE WORST RUSHING YPG IN THE HISTORY OF PLANET EARTH, Ravens are top 10 Rush defense

The Ravens are top 5 Rush offense, our Rush defense is middle of the pack at best and just gave up nearly 200 yards to the 1 win Panthers on the ground.

The Bucs are going to need to activate some massive NFL Plot Armor in order to hope to compete, let alone win.

[King Bootz]

Imagine thinking it would be embarrassing for a 4-3 road team playing on a Thursday night to lose to a team that is leading their division. @BucsNBills you should stick to the haiku stuff. Analysis isn't a strong suit of yours.

[Miller4Prez64]

I have to work tonight and I’ve never been happier to miss a Bucs game.

[Capsaicin]

Any given Thursday

The frustrating thing about this ‘22 Bucs team is the defense gets worn down while the offense can’t produce in the red zone

Turn that around in any given game and we can beat anyone

Excuse me while I clean my rose colored shades

[Capsaicin]

I have to work tonight and I’ve never been happier to miss a Bucs game.

I was was originally happy to not be able to watch Panthers game because I thought it would be boring watchin us beat them 20-3. Lmao

[King Bootz]

Any given Thursday

The frustrating thing about this ‘22 Bucs team is the defense gets worn down while the offense can’t produce in the red zone

Turn that around in any given game and we can beat anyone

Excuse me while I clean my rose colored shades

Thursday games should almost be graded on a curve honestly. So many factors. No off day after a Sunday game, no real practice this week, road team has to travel on a practice day. So anything can happen on a Thursday night. Nothing would surprise me tonight.

[acmillis]

This is rich coming from a guy who has been avoiding responding to my inquiry about him donating to charity...

[BucsNBills]

Imagine thinking it would be embarrassing for a 4-3 road team playing on a Thursday night to lose to a team that is leading their division. @BucsNBills you should stick to the haiku stuff. Analysis isn't a strong suit of yours.

Yes, it would be embarrassing for them to lose to us in our current state. Basically every important metric for winning football games are in the Ravens favor, and they're not even close, they're mismatches.

Given how good the Bengals are, the Ravens absolutely need to win this game. This should be a gimme game to them.

And miss me with the "leading our division" nonsense. We're currently tied with the Falcons in the worst division in football. Talk about the Tallest Midget award.

I know you're knee deep in the contrarian thing, but you gotta at least seem reasonable once in awhile so you can maintain plausible deniability.

[acmillis]

Correct, I'd be willing to bet that Lamar could not have a playoff run like BDN did, sure, against 3-4 playoff teams, yes.

Why? There's no empirical evidence, statistic, etc. that supports this notion. In fact, there is every reason to believe the opposite based on his winning % and TD:INT ratio alone.

Just a gut feeling. When is the last time a qb known as much for his running as passing has even made it to the big game?

[Snake]

Could Lamar win a SB? Sure. Will he? No.

I'd say this about pretty much any QB outside of Mahomes and Allen. The probability isn't in an individual's favor. If you have, say, 10 legit contenders a year (made up number) and a guy plays 15 years...the odds just aren't great.

[King Bootz]

By those metrics, why wouldn't Joe Burrow get a yes instead of Josh Allen? Burrow has been to one already in his 2+ years. Allen has not in his 4+. Pretty hard to say a guy "will" when he's never been to one.

[Snake]

I’m not looking at the players in a vacuum, in this case. I think you have to factor in some context. Allen and Mahomes are better than anybody else in the league. They both have fantastic coaches and what appear to be quality organizations. I would personally bet against Burrow making a Super Bowl again in the next 10 years. Or, he could win three straight. The Bengals had a fantastic season. I still think they caught lightning in a bottle and don’t have a good coach and have a bad owner. The next Bengals owner appears to be the daughter, who is also an idiot. Who knows who the next coach is.

[The Outsider]

Why? There's no empirical evidence, statistic, etc. that supports this notion. In fact, there is every reason to believe the opposite based on his winning % and TD:INT ratio alone.

Just a gut feeling. When is the last time a qb known as much for his running as passing has even made it to the big game?

Cam Newton against the Manning Broncos. Lamar is both a better runner overall and undoubtedly a better passer than Cam ever was.

[Kress]

I have to work tonight and I’ve never been happier to miss a Bucs game.

I will be watching tonight, but by the same token: Clemson has a bye on Saturday and no Bucs on Sunday? Free weekend!










Okay, I'll spend it watching every game I can possibly find.

[King Bootz]

Why? There's no empirical evidence, statistic, etc. that supports this notion. In fact, there is every reason to believe the opposite based on his winning % and TD:INT ratio alone.

Just a gut feeling. When is the last time a qb known as much for his running as passing has even made it to the big game?

By this logic, Josh Allen won't win 1 either. Not even through 5 years, he already had over 2500 yards rushing and 33 TDs, which is 10 more rushing TDs than Lamar has.