Projecting the 2022-2023 roster

[Primeminister]

Suh is fine depth. doubt he plays for it, but offer veteran minimum.

I think Bootz is right. I don’t really see a big market.

I think both Suh and Gronk will be back... but after the June minicamp. They're long time vets that have put in the work and they can be trusted to stay in shape.

Speaking of minicamps, anyone have any info on the rookie minicamp this weekend?

It’s next weekend.

[mdb1958]

Suh is fine depth.

What does this even mean? If signed, who is he playing behind?

[mdb1958]

Can I ask how many QB hits Suh had. I guess that's a pay for it stat.

[Snake]

Suh is fine depth.

What does this even mean? If signed, who is he playing behind?

Meaning, he doesn’t have the tank to play effectively for an entire game. He hasn’t had that in years. He takes a shit load of plays off and tries to save himself for the postseason. He’s good depth if he’s willing to play a fraction of the plays but play them extremely hard.

[King Bootz]

You would think OBP would've seen this when he was getting man handled 1 on 1 vs TEs in 2019. It hasn't gotten any better. The supporting cast around him was better than he was. But since then it's only gotten older and more beat up and as such Suh becomes more of a liability out there.

[King Bootz]

Suh is fine depth. doubt he plays for it, but offer veteran minimum.

I think Bootz is right. I don’t really see a big market.

I think both Suh and Gronk will be back... but after the June minicamp. They're long time vets that have put in the work and they can be trusted to stay in shape.

Speaking of minicamps, anyone have any info on the rookie minicamp this weekend?

You realize that makes almost no sense at all. "We trust you to stay healthy so we'll keep you off of the roster for now because......well we don't know why, we just will".

Gronk isn't signed because he doesn't know if he wants to return. Suh isn't signed likely because the Bucs don't want him back or as @PetePierson eluded to he might be asking for too much money.

[mdb1958]

What does this even mean? If signed, who is he playing behind?

Meaning, he doesn’t have the tank to play effectively for an entire game. He hasn’t had that in years. He takes a shit load of plays off and tries to save himself for the postseason. He’s good depth if he’s willing to play a fraction of the plays but play them extremely hard.

I don't know who he would be playing behind either.

[King Bootz]

Meaning, he doesn’t have the tank to play effectively for an entire game. He hasn’t had that in years. He takes a shit load of plays off and tries to save himself for the postseason. He’s good depth if he’s willing to play a fraction of the plays but play them extremely hard.

I don't know who he would be playing behind either.

He wouldn't. And that's another reason I don't see him returning. He's not good enough anymore to start but his ego doesn't know that.

[mdb1958]

I don't know who he would be playing behind either.

He wouldn't. And that's another reason I don't see him returning. He's not good enough anymore to start but his ego doesn't know that.

It seems like banking on a vet wanting a ring for minimal money is risky. I'm waiting for the breaking story of our no play DT's secretly training with the Navy Seals for two years.

[mdb1958]

I don't want to crash on Suh really, I think he was integral in our run game and that is his niche. He has his space and says c/mon take it if you can. Also why we got passed on more than any other team. Blowing up 2 guards and a center very quickly is our problem.

[Doctor]

Suh already became a part time player last year. He isn't that full time guy anymore. And that's fine. I think we have a fair offer on the table. We'll see what happens. At this point, yes, he's a rotational player and one who is probably best served saving most of his juice for the playoffs when it matters most.

Gronk isn't too dissimilar but I don't think hes' fallen off as much. He's fallen off from his GOAT self, but that's just a silly standard. Even 2021 Gronk was amongst the best in the NFL. I'm more than good with Gronk coming back at whatever price they settle on. What he brings both as Brady's bff and with his blocking in the run game cannot be overvalued. I don't think our draft impacted Gronks return in the least. Though I wouldn't be shocked if Gronk takes some time off before re-signing, maybe even into the season. Which honestly, I have no problem re-signing Gronk week 8 to gell for 8 weeks prior to playoffs, I really don't.

[Defense5599]

I think both Suh and Gronk will be back... but after the June minicamp. They're long time vets that have put in the work and they can be trusted to stay in shape.

Speaking of minicamps, anyone have any info on the rookie minicamp this weekend?

You realize that makes almost no sense at all. "We trust you to stay healthy so we'll keep you off of the roster for now because......well we don't know why, we just will".

Gronk isn't signed because he doesn't know if he wants to return. Suh isn't signed likely because the Bucs don't want him back or as @PetePierson eluded to he might be asking for too much money.

Actually they do know why. Post June 1st cuts and signings apply to the cap differently. Plus, these guys are long time vets and it might do them more harm than good to subject them to the banalities of a minicamp.

[Snake]

Meaning, he doesn’t have the tank to play effectively for an entire game. He hasn’t had that in years. He takes a shit load of plays off and tries to save himself for the postseason. He’s good depth if he’s willing to play a fraction of the plays but play them extremely hard.

I don't know who he would be playing behind either.

I assumed Logan Hall but I could be overestimating his capabilities.

[MJW]

What does this even mean? If signed, who is he playing behind?

Meaning, he doesn’t have the tank to play effectively for an entire game. He hasn’t had that in years. He takes a shit load of plays off and tries to save himself for the postseason. He’s good depth if he’s willing to play a fraction of the plays but play them extremely hard.

If he was willing to take "part time" money, independent of his "name" or his reputation, fine. Let him take over for Steve McClendon, who averaged about 260 snaps the last two years while making a bit more than the vet minimum (bump up those snaps and dollars a bit for Suh, but that's the ballpark...maybe 350 snaps for $3 mil?)

He wants $7 mil, $8 mil, whatever, no thanks.

[Doctor]

It's going to be very interesting to see who we use as the nickel DB. Bowles has made it clear in the past that the NB doesn't have to be the same guy every time and it also doesn't have to be a corner. Keep an eye on Logan Ryan. Maybe some Neal. I really think we keep Zyon outside in limited snaps his rookie year.

Also who is putting their hand in the dirt in nickle? I imagine Hall gets kicked into 3T from his 3-4 5T spot. Who lines up outside of him? Nacho? Shaq?

[kaimaru]

Suh is included in that "Veteran TBD" spot for the defensive line. I know how we do things. I know we'll probably bring him back because he's part of the family or whatever. But he's in serious, obvious decline as a player. So I'm holding out hope that Bowles sees this and the "Veteran TBD" is someone else. If Eddie Goldman is healthy enough to pass a physical, I'd much rather have him, age 28, than Suh, who came into the league the same year as Gerald McCoy.

Gronk? I'd call it fate acompli. He'll be back. There' s an old "Cartoon Funhouse" bit from SNL (look it up if you don't know it, it was gold) where Oprah "surprises" everyone by putting herself on the cover of "Oprah" magazine. That's exactly how I feel about Gronk coming back. Like..."oh...we made a big deal out of this, like it might not have happened?"

That said, if Gronk doesn't come back, there are still a bunch of borderline #1 quality tight ends out there. They won't be Gronk, but at least the cupboard isn't bare. Eric Ebron, Jimmy Graham, Jared Cook, Blake Jarwin, Jesse James, etc.

My comment wasn't about IF we should bring back Suh. If fact, I don't disagree with you. It's time to move on. Unfortunately, however, I think if he wants to play, One Buc brings him back.

I significantly doubt it. Licht suggested Suh would only be back because of injuries.

[mdb1958]

We have brought in a huge amount of small WR's.

[King Bootz]

We have brought in a huge amount of small WR's.

Looking for a return man

[mdb1958]

We have brought in a huge amount of small WR's.

Looking for a return man

Are we still searching for what Humphries was able to do?

[King Bootz]

Looking for a return man

Are we still searching for what Humphries was able to do?

Russell Gage

[mdb1958]

Are we still searching for what Humphries was able to do?

Russell Gage

Point I was making is from UDFA to 30 million. Not only that teams know the signature play of Hump and now many times defenses have reacted so quick it gets blown up.

Byron? Go to NEW Plays.com!

[King Bootz]

Russell Gage

Point I was making is from UDFA to 30 million. Not only that teams know the signature play of Hump and now many times defenses have reacted so quick it gets blown up.

Byron? Go to NEW Plays.com!

Russell Gage answers your question. He didn't go from UDFA to $30mil but went 6th round pick to $30mil. And they do basically the same things. Good hands, run good routes, more slippery than fast, tough over the middle. Gage is a little bigger, I think Hump might be a little better after the catch. But Essentially we got another Adam Humphries.

[mdb1958]

Point I was making is from UDFA to 30 million. Not only that teams know the signature play of Hump and now many times defenses have reacted so quick it gets blown up.

Byron? Go to NEW Plays.com!

Russell Gage answers your question. He didn't go from UDFA to $30mil but went 6th round pick to $30mil. And they do basically the same things. Good hands, run good routes, more slippery than fast, tough over the middle. Gage is a little bigger, I think Hump might be a little better after the catch. But Essentially we got another Adam Humphries.

Jeesh Bootz, I'm sure Atl enjoyed the value he provided for them.

[IchabodCrane84]

Looking for a return man

Are we still searching for what Humphries was able to do?

Different coaching staff so I doubt it. He was in Koetter's scheme only.

[mdb1958]

Are we still searching for what Humphries was able to do?

Different coaching staff so I doubt it. He was in Koetter's scheme only.

We are still using the 'quick out' to some of our guys that Hump was so good at.