2025 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Offseason Thread

[Grahamburn]

So funny to me.

Anthony Nelson is a dogshit complacency signing. 2 years and $10M. He had 4 sacks and played 51% of our snaps.

Milton Williams is a brilliant forward thinking and aggressive signing. 4 years and $100M. He had 5.5 sacks and played 47% of the Eagles snaps.

Uhh.

[Doctor]

Players we moved on from are getting 3/$60M deals but guys say we're settling for mid. Okay.

[CannonFire]

WHO ARE THE GREAT PLAYERS WE SHOULD BE SIGNING?!

Just a couple off the top of my head.

Josh Sweat nor Joey Bosa wouldn't be an upgrade over JTS?
We couldn't trade for Thuney to replace Bredeson and upgrade our OLine?

[CannonFire]

Yea rookies never make an instant impact in the NFL.

If you're counting on that, it's a flawed plan, considering half are busts.

[Backside]

Big free agent signings bust plenty often too. And it’s a much bigger detriment when they do.

[Grahamburn]

WHO ARE THE GREAT PLAYERS WE SHOULD BE SIGNING?!

Just a couple off the top of my head.

Josh Sweat nor Joey Bosa wouldn't be an upgrade over JTS?
We couldn't trade for Thuney to replace Bredeson and upgrade our OLine?

Sweat went with his boy Gannon. Landry went to his boy Vrabel. I’m sure we kicked the tires but players have to want to come here.

Is Bosa better than Reddick? He signed for less.

Thuney is about to be 33. The most successful team and front office in the NFL in the last decade is moving on from him and got value. Not saying they’re infallible but I wouldn’t trade for their players.

[Bootz]

So funny to me.

Anthony Nelson is a dogshit complacency signing. 2 years and $10M. He had 4 sacks and played 51% of our snaps.

Milton Williams is a brilliant forward thinking and aggressive signing. 4 years and $100M. He had 5.5 sacks and played 47% of the Eagles snaps.

Uhh.

What should be funny to you, or sad if we're being honest, is comparing an EDGE rusher's production to that of a DT.

[Grahamburn]

So funny to me.

Anthony Nelson is a dogshit complacency signing. 2 years and $10M. He had 4 sacks and played 51% of our snaps.

Milton Williams is a brilliant forward thinking and aggressive signing. 4 years and $100M. He had 5.5 sacks and played 47% of the Eagles snaps.

Uhh.

What should be funny to you, or sad if we're being honest, is comparing an EDGE rusher's production to that of a DT.

Yeah, man. Aren’t edge rushers more valuable? Tongue in cheek. I know they play different positions.

Milton was the big prize. Is he worth ten times more? Yikes. I’m sure the boys with all the cap space in NE are happy.

[Snake]

If they’re actually edge rusher specialists who get results.

Nelson is just a solid JAG who isn’t great at anything.

[Grahamburn]

If they’re actually edge rusher specialists who get results.

Nelson is just a solid JAG who isn’t great at anything.

For sure. 100% agree.

Any evidence Williams is more than just a guy? We’ll see how he does without a bunch of studs around him. 2023 wasn’t impressive.

[CannonFire]

Big free agent signings bust plenty often too. And it’s a much bigger detriment when they do.

"Plenty"? I'd say "some".

Agreed. But there is definitely a higher rate of assurance from a FA than a draft pick, hence the higher cost. If a good player is going to a team that's better than the one he's on, generally there's an expectation that said player will be incentivized to perform at his best. Like with draft picks, I'd expect the GM and his people to do their due diligence on the players before signing (or drafting), any player. In the end, it's their call on who gets signed and/or drafted. Personally, I'd rather have my GM be more aggressive than scared. Being aggressive is going out and finding players that fit your needs and bringing them in, and paying for it. A scared GM keeps what he has and hopes his draft picks hit. Now, I don't follow a lot of other teams, but teams that I do know are more aggressive are the Eagles and Chiefs. Seems to me, their model works pretty well.

[CannonFire]

Just a couple off the top of my head.

Josh Sweat nor Joey Bosa wouldn't be an upgrade over JTS?
We couldn't trade for Thuney to replace Bredeson and upgrade our OLine?

Sweat went with his boy Gannon. Landry went to his boy Vrabel. I’m sure we kicked the tires but players have to want to come here.

Is Bosa better than Reddick? He signed for less.

Thuney is about to be 33. The most successful team and front office in the NFL in the last decade is moving on from him and got value. Not saying they’re infallible but I wouldn’t trade for their players.

Licht isn't known for being very aggressive in free agency, so if we kicked the tires, I don't think we kicked very hard.

Bosa is safer. Reddick had a hissy fit and barely tried... and stunk. If you think that the Chiefs willingness to trade Thuney should be a sign, the Eagles willing to trade Reddick should be as well. Reddick had a PFF rank of 163, Bosa was 90th. Bosa went to a Super Bowl contender, we know players take less to go to better teams. Now, Bosa is an injury risk, but I'd rather upgrade with Bosa and still draft an EDGE rusher (even in R1), then Reddick because I believe the ceiling is higher.

Thuney graded out as the 12th best guard last year (according to PFF... no, they're not the be-all-end-all, but they're a resource). Bredenson was 93rd. Thuney is also has 1 year left on his deal. I'd rather have Thuney than Bredeson, knowing I have an upgrade and a potential re-up and still be inclined to draft a guard to learn. Keeping Bredeson for 3 years, makes us less inclined to draft his replacement.

[Grahamburn]

Sweat went with his boy Gannon. Landry went to his boy Vrabel. I’m sure we kicked the tires but players have to want to come here.

Is Bosa better than Reddick? He signed for less.

Thuney is about to be 33. The most successful team and front office in the NFL in the last decade is moving on from him and got value. Not saying they’re infallible but I wouldn’t trade for their players.

Licht isn't known for being very aggressive in free agency, so if we kicked the tires, I don't think we kicked very hard.

Bosa is safer. Reddick had a hissy fit and barely tried... and stunk. If you think that the Chiefs willingness to trade Thuney should be a sign, the Eagles willing to trade Reddick should be as well. Reddick had a PFF rank of 163, Bosa was 90th. Bosa went to a Super Bowl contender, we know players take less to go to better teams. Now, Bosa is an injury risk, but I'd rather upgrade with Bosa and still draft an EDGE rusher (even in R1), then Reddick because I believe the ceiling is higher.

Thuney graded out as the 12th best guard last year (according to PFF... no, they're not the be-all-end-all, but they're a resource). Bredenson was 93rd. Thuney is also has 1 year left on his deal. I'd rather have Thuney than Bredeson, knowing I have an upgrade and a potential re-up and still be inclined to draft a guard to learn. Keeping Bredeson for 3 years, makes us less inclined to draft his replacement.

This entire fanbase creamed their collective pants over trying to trade for Myles Garrett. Bunch of people still want Hendrickson. Are those guys damaged goods because of their “hissy fits?”

Reddick has way more production than Bosa. It’s not even close. But, people like the big names that make the paper roster look better I guess.

[Miller4Prez64]

Reddick has twice as many sacks over the last 3 years as Bosa while essentially taking last year off with a holdout.

Bosa is 100% washed and injury prone, at least Reddick you can convince yourself he will bounce back in a year he doesn’t hold out.

[CannonFire]

...and yet, the Eagles said "No thanks" to Reddick. Weird, huh?

Garrett's a loud mouth, Hendricks didn't throw a hissy fit. Both played great this year. Reddick stunk.

I remember 5 years ago, a lot of people said Brady was washed. How'd that turn out?

[CannonFire]

Aaron Rodgers is washed, right? His PFF grade this past season was 77.8. Last offseason, Mayfield got $100M and his PFF grade was 77.2.

[Grahamburn]

...and yet, the Eagles said "No thanks" to Reddick. Weird, huh?

Garrett's a loud mouth, Hendricks didn't throw a hissy fit. Both played great this year. Reddick stunk.

I remember 5 years ago, a lot of people said Brady was washed. How'd that turn out?

I don’t think they said, “no thanks” as much as they didn’t want to meet his asking price. Same thing for the Seahawks with Geno and D.K. or the Bengals with Hendrickson.

Reddick’s holdout was on the heels of 27 sacks in two years.

Unfortunately for Reddick the Jets decided to fuck him over too and his performance showed it.

We’ll see if we’re the last ones without a chair on HR.

[Phantom]

We have yet to address the secondary issues. We keep signing the same defensive players.

[Doctor]

It's been two days. There's still literally second wave FA, the draft, and third wave FA. Relax.

[Phantom]

It's been two days. There's still literally second wave FA, the draft, and third wave FA. Relax.

Don’t hold your breath; it’s not going to happen. The Falcons will be the aggressive team during that period.

[Bootz]

It's been two days. There's still literally second wave FA, the draft, and third wave FA. Relax.

Gotta find our saviors, right?

[Grahamburn]

It's been two days. There's still literally second wave FA, the draft, and third wave FA. Relax.

Don’t hold your breath; it’s not going to happen. The Falcons will be the aggressive team during that period.

Annnnnnnnnd? They won free agency last year… Now they’ve lost several of their best players because of it.

[Phantom]

Don’t hold your breath; it’s not going to happen. The Falcons will be the aggressive team during that period.

Annnnnnnnnd? They won free agency last year… Now they’ve lost several of their best players because of it.

Annnnnnd? did you watch the last four Falcons games? Apparently not.

Raheem is a great coach huh?


carry on

[Bootz]

Don’t hold your breath; it’s not going to happen. The Falcons will be the aggressive team during that period.

Annnnnnnnnd? They won free agency last year… Now they’ve lost several of their best players because of it.

I thought the Eagles won FA last year.....

[Bootz]

Somebody needs to give Trask a big ole contract.

Not this year.

[mdb1958]

Still wanna watch pre-season Pratt.

[Lordnlkon]

Sweat went with his boy Gannon. Landry went to his boy Vrabel. I’m sure we kicked the tires but players have to want to come here.

Is Bosa better than Reddick? He signed for less.

Thuney is about to be 33. The most successful team and front office in the NFL in the last decade is moving on from him and got value. Not saying they’re infallible but I wouldn’t trade for their players.

Licht isn't known for being very aggressive in free agency, so if we kicked the tires, I don't think we kicked very hard.

Bosa is safer. Reddick had a hissy fit and barely tried... and stunk. If you think that the Chiefs willingness to trade Thuney should be a sign, the Eagles willing to trade Reddick should be as well. Reddick had a PFF rank of 163, Bosa was 90th. Bosa went to a Super Bowl contender, we know players take less to go to better teams. Now, Bosa is an injury risk, but I'd rather upgrade with Bosa and still draft an EDGE rusher (even in R1), then Reddick because I believe the ceiling is higher.

Thuney graded out as the 12th best guard last year (according to PFF... no, they're not the be-all-end-all, but they're a resource). Bredenson was 93rd. Thuney is also has 1 year left on his deal. I'd rather have Thuney than Bredeson, knowing I have an upgrade and a potential re-up and still be inclined to draft a guard to learn. Keeping Bredeson for 3 years, makes us less inclined to draft his replacement.

Bosa wanted to go play with his brother. We had zero chance of ever signing him.

[Snake]

Bosa signed with Buffalo.

[Lordnlkon]

Bosa signed with Buffalo.

Well shit. Guess I didn’t pay attention. Last I heard he was signing with SF.

[Snake]

Yeah, surprised me as well. I also read the initial headlines about San Francisco.

Don’t think it matters much either way. Not sure Bosa moves the needle for this team. He’s a bigger name than producer now.

[Lordnlkon]

Yeah, surprised me as well. I also read the initial headlines about San Francisco.

Don’t think it matters much either way. Not sure Bosa moves the needle for this team. He’s a bigger name than producer now.

Yeah, I’m hoping Reddick pans out. Production has been there in the past and it’s not injuries that slowed him down last year. So fingers crossed, he just wasn’t happy.

[Snake]

Somebody needs to give Trask a big ole contract.

Not this year.

I kinda get this one. I kinda don’t. He knows the playbook, Baker is comfy with him. I get that that’s important.

But, he sucks. And yes, backup QBs suck as a general rule. But couldn’t the Bucs find a more established commodity, who sucks a bit less? Or provides a single positive skill/attribute on the field?

[Doctor]

So does that make Trask officially not a bust? What's the goalpost here?

[Snake]

Bust? Wouldn’t say that. He was the last pick of the 2nd round. Was an overaged 5th year senior coming out and lacked top tier arm talent and mobility. Expectations shouldn’t have been high from jump street.

QBs like Trask hang on because they’re QB room assets, have good personalities, and make starting caliber QBs comfortable. In other words, they aren’t good enough to be a threat to the starter and can make a handful of throws in the playbook. He’s very much a success in that regard.

Regardless. This has been his career:

[Miller4Prez64]

Not a fan of Trask being back. I like Baker, but he can be reckless, I would prefer a better backup.