Our Next OC?

[Doctor]

Assuming we keep Bowles and Coen gets a HC job, who sits atop your short list?

[13F11B]

Let us hope the Buccaneers do not have to do this again.

[GreatTimes]

Coen to Chicago?

[Central_Buc]

Assuming we keep Bowles and Coen gets a HC job, who sits atop your short list?

Again take Scott Renyolds with a grain of salt if you want but he had reported that the Glazers are paying attention and really like Coen. So whatever means to get him to stay they are prepared to do.

[Doctor]

Coen to Chicago?

That's been my guess. Saleh to DC. Chicago becomes real legit real fast.

But that's not the point of this thread.

[Pirate Life]

Coen to Chicago?

That's been my guess. Saleh to DC. Chicago becomes real legit real fast.

But that's not the point of this thread.

Couple of publications don't have Coen on the list of candidates, but that can change real quick.

[Terry Tate]

Coen to Chicago?

That's been my guess. Saleh to DC. Chicago becomes real legit real fast.

But that's not the point of this thread.

I'd like to see Saleh get another shot. He was a defensive coach and his defense balled. He just had the misfortune of being anchored to Hackett and the corpse of Aaron Rodgers on offense.

[Doctor]

Saleh will be better his next time around and hopefully land a good OC.

That's what defensive HC needs, to nail that combo on the other side. Bowles has Coen/Baker, Raheem Zac/Kirk, Quinn has Kliff/Daniels. Swap Hackett/Rodgers for Zac/Kirk, I think the Jets doing hella better.

9 times out of 10 when we say "they are a good coordinator but a bad HC" it's about defensive HCs and almost always when they have no QB. Because the otherside of the ball sucks and its their job as HC to make sure both sides are good. Even if there's no valid option they could've taken, we demand they snap their fingers and fix it. Worst still it was clear Saleh was over the Zach Wilson far earlier but was not allowed to move on.

But when a offensive genius has a shit defense for years, no one says shit but "we need to get our HC a better DC".

I think Saleh got done dirty and will have a great bounce back arc.

[Grahamburn]

What do you do when the defensive HC’s defense sucks?

[Zarni]

Hire Ryan Day!

[Doctor]

What do you do when the defensive HC’s defense sucks?

Give them as much leeway and credit for both sides "because he's the head coach".

Also, defense isn't as bad as whiners make it seem. Ravaged by injuries, starting UDFA, still in every game during the hardest schedule. That is our floor.

Healthier, in sync, we take on those Ben Johnson lions again all day.

[Grahamburn]

What do you do when the defensive HC’s defense sucks?

Give them as much leeway and credit for both sides "because he's the head coach".

Also, defense isn't as bad as whiners make it seem. Ravaged by injuries, starting UDFA, still in every game during the hardest schedule. That is our floor.

Healthier, in sync, we take on those Ben Johnson lions again all day.

I’ll give him credit for identifying and hiring Coen. Outside of that who knows how much offensive input he has?

The injury thing is a non-starter. It’s just an excuse. Every team has injuries.

We’ve had another awful losing streak this season against good teams. If you want to contend you have to win your share of those games. And, I wouldn’t really consider ATL or SF “good” this year.

We’re a good roster with a bottom tier head coach and that makes us a mid-level team.

[Al Bundy]

What do you do when the defensive HC’s defense sucks?

Give them as much leeway and credit for both sides "because he's the head coach".

Also, defense isn't as bad as whiners make it seem. Ravaged by injuries, starting UDFA, still in every game during the hardest schedule. That is our floor.

Healthier, in sync, we take on those Ben Johnson lions again all day.

His defense stinks. Bowels needs to be fired if that's what it takes to keep Coen.

[Doctor]

[Phantom]

Coen S is not going anywhere; he’s staying here.

As Central Bucs said, the Glazers will do anything to keep him here.

Baker-Coen tandem is perfect

[Doctor]

Well then, it's settled. I guess there's no point in spitballing hypotheticals any longer.

So what else do yall like to do on a fan message board?

[Grahamburn]

Well then, it's settled. I guess there's no point in spitballing hypotheticals any longer.

So what else do yall like to do on a fan message board?

I think it’s more a situation where most would prefer not to discuss the worst case scenario hypothetical where Coen leaves and Bowles stays.

[13F11B]

Well then, it's settled. I guess there's no point in spitballing hypotheticals any longer.

So what else do yall like to do on a fan message board?

Did not need your fucking permission, but thanks

[Bootz]

Well then, it's settled. I guess there's no point in spitballing hypotheticals any longer.

So what else do yall like to do on a fan message board?

I think it’s more a situation where most would prefer not to discuss the worst case scenario hypothetical where Coen leaves and Bowles stays.

Kinda shows that the culture in Tampa isn't what people want to believe it is. You shouldn't fear losing anyone except maybe a franchise QB or an all world type player.

If you're worried that things will fall apart without a coach though, then it was never put together to begin with.

[BuccaNOLEer]

Assuming we keep Bowles and Coen gets a HC job, who sits atop your short list?

Again take Scott Renyolds with a grain of salt if you want but he had reported that the Glazers are paying attention and really like Coen. So whatever means to get him to stay they are prepared to do.

Unfortunately, the money and prestige of being a head coach cannot be matched by anything the Glazers can do keeping him as OC.

[Grahamburn]

I think it’s more a situation where most would prefer not to discuss the worst case scenario hypothetical where Coen leaves and Bowles stays.

Kinda shows that the culture in Tampa isn't what people want to believe it is. You shouldn't fear losing anyone except maybe a franchise QB or an all world type player.

If you're worried that things will fall apart without a coach though, then it was never put together to begin with.

How do you manage to talk out of both sides of your mouth every single day?

[Grahamburn]

Again take Scott Renyolds with a grain of salt if you want but he had reported that the Glazers are paying attention and really like Coen. So whatever means to get him to stay they are prepared to do.

Unfortunately, the money and prestige of being a head coach cannot be matched by anything the Glazers can do keeping him as OC.

The prestige part is true, but they could pay him HC money for sure. Mid-tier coaches are making ~$4M. If the season were to finish strong they could give both Bowles and Coen a bump in pay.

[Central_Buc]

Again take Scott Renyolds with a grain of salt if you want but he had reported that the Glazers are paying attention and really like Coen. So whatever means to get him to stay they are prepared to do.

Unfortunately, the money and prestige of being a head coach cannot be matched by anything the Glazers can do keeping him as OC.

They have him in mind as the next HC. Even if Bowels saves his job this year, things, money, ect can be negotiated. Like don't be surprised if the glazers take him out for dinner a few times in the offseason and get him to stay as OC for the time being.

[Grahamburn]

Unfortunately, the money and prestige of being a head coach cannot be matched by anything the Glazers can do keeping him as OC.

They have him in mind as the next HC. Even if Bowels saves his job this year, things, money, ect can be negotiated. Like don't be surprised if the glazers take him out for dinner a few times in the offseason and get him to stay as OC for the time being.

He could certainly go the Ben Johnson route, who reportedly is asking for top tier HC money (~$15M). Just bet on yourself and hold out for a great situation and big money. The Lions have given Johnson raises the last two off-seasons.

[Terry Tate]

Unfortunately, the money and prestige of being a head coach cannot be matched by anything the Glazers can do keeping him as OC.

They have him in mind as the next HC. Even if Bowels saves his job this year, things, money, ect can be negotiated. Like don't be surprised if the glazers take him out for dinner a few times in the offseason and get him to stay as OC for the time being.

I don't doubt for a second that ownership considers Coen a potential replacement for Bowles. I like Bowles and he is a decent head coach. He does have some flaws that hold his teams back. Plus, from a philosphy standpoint, it's generally better to have a strong offensive minded coach, Belichick being a notable exception. With an offensive coach, you keep a lot of consistency for your QB, who ideally will be one of the longer tenured guys on your team and should be your most valuable player. DC's just don't get poached for HC positions as much. Look at the list of recent teams with a super bowl appearance and you will see a preponderance of offensive head coaches, Bucs included.

If we lose Coen, I don't have a deep enough knowledge of candidates to have an informed opinion. I just don't think it will be an issue. If we keep Bowles, I think the upper management does what it takes to keep Coen. Someone will have to make a huge commitment to Coen as HC to steal him.

[Naismith]

I wouldn't be surprised if Coen ended up in Chicago. I think the Bears need to focus on a guy that takes a little off the QB plate and Coen fits that criteria. From Coen's perspective, I can't imagine getting a better situation for your head coaching opportunity. I hope he doesn't get a head coaching job but it certainly wouldn't surprise me with how great he has been here.

[Bootz]

I wouldn't be surprised if Coen ended up in Chicago. I think the Bears need to focus on a guy that takes a little off the QB plate and Coen fits that criteria. From Coen's perspective, I can't imagine getting a better situation for your head coaching opportunity. I hope he doesn't get a head coaching job but it certainly wouldn't surprise me with how great he has been here.

Chicago needs a leader. Their offense is fine on the field. That locker room seems to be a mess though. Not saying Coen isn't that guy but I could see them moreso going after a strong personality type and not just someone who could potentially fix their offense or defense.

[Doctor]

Well then, it's settled. I guess there's no point in spitballing hypotheticals any longer.

So what else do yall like to do on a fan message board?

I think it’s more a situation where most would prefer not to discuss the worst case scenario hypothetical where Coen leaves and Bowles stays.

Worst case? Really? That's a bit melo dramatic.

Actually, Bootz isn't far off the mark, and it's in fact why it's not the worst case scenario. Look at locker rooms around the league, that's worst case.

We have an incredibly strong locker room. Would it suck losing Coen? Sure. But we'd move on because everyone is fully bought in and that starts at the top.

[Bootz]

I think it’s more a situation where most would prefer not to discuss the worst case scenario hypothetical where Coen leaves and Bowles stays.

Worst case? Really? That's a bit melo dramatic.

Actually, Bootz isn't far off the mark, and it's in fact why it's not the worst case scenario. Look at locker rooms around the league, that's worst case.

We have an incredibly strong locker room. Would it suck losing Coen? Sure. But we'd move on because everyone is fully bought in and that starts at the top.

Great cultures not only survive change. They understand that it's the price of doing business.

[Grahamburn]

I think it’s more a situation where most would prefer not to discuss the worst case scenario hypothetical where Coen leaves and Bowles stays.

Worst case? Really? That's a bit melo dramatic.

Actually, Bootz isn't far off the mark, and it's in fact why it's not the worst case scenario. Look at locker rooms around the league, that's worst case.

We have an incredibly strong locker room. Would it suck losing Coen? Sure. But we'd move on because everyone is fully bought in and that starts at the top.

Ok. I'll play. The only way that's a great scenario is if we go on a championship kind of run this year. While possible, I don't really see that happening. We're either going to drop a couple of these last 5 games or get bounced early in the playoffs.

I personally also don't believe Bowles is capable of leading a team on a legitimate championship run. He is a bottom tier head coach. He is not aggressive enough in his game management style for today's NFL. We have lost at least two games this year that were impacted by his poor game management and others could directly be attributed to his "play not to lose" approach. He has not evolved in his 3 years here.

Any coach who thinks the path to victory is stopping Mahomes twice at the end of the game doesn't understand what it takes to be a true contender.

And none of that takes into account the status of the defense. We're near the bottom of the league in every defensive category. The personnel is littered with early picks and cap dollars yet we can't stop anyone. He does not adapt or scheme to his opponent. His scheme has been completely figured out by the league and he either can't or won't change it. We are every QB's get right game.

Letting Coen leave and keeping this dolt would be a mistake.

[Grahamburn]

We also have the lowest FG% made against us in the NFL. Somehow we're getting really lucky in that department. This defenses ppg, and our record, would look even worse if that number was even league average.

[Doctor]

I very much disagree with your Bowles take.

For one, why no run? We did this sorry "why make the playoffs just to get bounced in the first round" nonsense last year and what happen?
We were a quarter away from the NFCCG and everyone appreciated the run.

What's changed? Who is the far away favorite? A lions team who we've already beaten without AWJ.

Eagles, Commanders. Beaten.

As for the defense and what's going on with it, I covered your takes in the Big Doc Thread. Our issues are clear, our path and plan is clear, wanting to flip the table because we aren't already there right now its extremely short sighted.

[Grahamburn]

I very much disagree with your Bowles take.

For one, why no run? We did this sorry "why make the playoffs just to get bounced in the first round" nonsense last year and what happen?
We were a quarter away from the NFCCG and everyone appreciated the run.

What's changed? Who is the far away favorite? A lions team who we've already beaten without AWJ.

Eagles, Commanders. Beaten.

As for the defense and what's going on with it, I covered your takes in the Big Doc Thread. Our issues are clear, our path and plan is clear, wanting to flip the table because we aren't already there right now its extremely short sighted.

I know you do, and that’s fine. I would love for him to prove me wrong. I just don’t see it.

I do agree with @Bootz that if you have great culture, and I think we do, you should be able to survive coordinator losses, but I think it’s important to note how that culture was/is cultivated. I don’t think it’s “all” Bowles. Very little, actually.

I also would like to see him improve his time management and get more aggressive in his game management. He also needs to acknowledge when he makes a mistake.

Saying the wet conditions are why he wouldn’t go for 2 in KC is a ridiculous justification for being a coward and playing not to lose.

Again, if your time management and game management process leads you to allowing Mahomes to possess the ball more times than he should then you’re tone deaf to how to win close games in today’s NFL.

[Grahamburn]

I'll also point out that during our "run" last year Bowles decided to let the Lions take 3 kneel downs at the end of the game instead of using a timeout to make them attempt a kick.

That is a loser's mentality. Instead of thinking that something positive could happen he accepted defeat. We've seen enough missed kicks and crazy shit happen in the NFL that you should fight to the end. Especially in a one score playoff game. Just this season we've seen multiple scores happen inside of :30 seconds left on the clock. Several against us in the last few years.

Has he learned? Maybe? Chris Godwin is out for the season because we had our starters out there in a game that could not be won.

[Grahamburn]

What the Lions and Dan Campbell did at the end of the game last night is the perfect example of how you win now. Especially when your defense is bad. They end the game without the other team having a chance to possess the ball.