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The coaches are unlikely to tell anyone what they are thinking in terms of who plays where....at least at this point. It serves no purpose to state that Hainsey is or isn't going to play guard, center or anywhere else. Attach that to all of the candidates for the 3 IOL positions.
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I mean, you can have a plan, sure. We had a plan to put Ali at center. But you can hear by the way everyone speaks you also have to be ready to pivot from a plan. I'm sure the line will shake out the best it can. We have a lot of maulers.
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I was noticing how our rosters have built built since Arians got here and how Bowles constructed his roster last year. 3 QBs/4 RBs/6 WRs/4 TEs/9 OLs and Bowles reduced QBs to 2 and WRs to 5.
On defense Arians had 6 DLs/5 OLBs/4 ILBs/5 CBs/4 Ss to adding a 6th OLB and CB.
I think this all due to have mostly 2 WR sets. Now that we are 3 WRs sets the question is do we reduce OLB by one where Bowles loves to rotate players all game or CB where the team has been bitten before. My thought is this. Since he is crosstraining CB and S that he will add back a 6th WR and keep 6 OLBs.
Wolford was added back to the roster at the very end of Oct 31 when QB injuries started to add up. I am guessing this will happen again.
PS Jose Ramirez doesn't make the cut. Sorry @Doctor
QB: Baker Mayfield, Kyle Trask
RB: Rachaad White, Bucky Irving, Chase Edmunds, Sean Tucker
WR: Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, Jalen McMillan, Deven Thompkins, Trey Palmer, Ryan Miller
TE: Cade Otten, Payne Durham, Devin Culp, Tanner Taula
OL: Tristan Wirfs, Cody Mauch, Graham Barton, Elijah Klien, Luke Goedecke, Brandon Walton, Ben Bredeson, Justin Skule, Sue Opeta
DL: Vita Vea, Calijah Kancey, Logan Hall, Greg Gaines, William Gholson, Mike Greene
OLB: Joe Tryon-Shoyinko, Yaya Diaby, Chris Braswell, Markees Watts, Anthony Nelson, Randy Gregory
ILB: Lavonte David, KJ Britt, Sirvocea Dennis, JJ Russell
CB: Jamal Dean, Bryce Hall, Zyon Mccollum, Tavierre Thomas, Quandre Mosely
S: Antoine Winfield Jr, Jordan Whitehead, Christian Izien, Tykee Smith
LS: Evan Deckers
P: Jake Carmada
K: Chase McLaughlin
On defense Arians had 6 DLs/5 OLBs/4 ILBs/5 CBs/4 Ss to adding a 6th OLB and CB.
I think this all due to have mostly 2 WR sets. Now that we are 3 WRs sets the question is do we reduce OLB by one where Bowles loves to rotate players all game or CB where the team has been bitten before. My thought is this. Since he is crosstraining CB and S that he will add back a 6th WR and keep 6 OLBs.
Wolford was added back to the roster at the very end of Oct 31 when QB injuries started to add up. I am guessing this will happen again.
PS Jose Ramirez doesn't make the cut. Sorry @Doctor
QB: Baker Mayfield, Kyle Trask
RB: Rachaad White, Bucky Irving, Chase Edmunds, Sean Tucker
WR: Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, Jalen McMillan, Deven Thompkins, Trey Palmer, Ryan Miller
TE: Cade Otten, Payne Durham, Devin Culp, Tanner Taula
OL: Tristan Wirfs, Cody Mauch, Graham Barton, Elijah Klien, Luke Goedecke, Brandon Walton, Ben Bredeson, Justin Skule, Sue Opeta
DL: Vita Vea, Calijah Kancey, Logan Hall, Greg Gaines, William Gholson, Mike Greene
OLB: Joe Tryon-Shoyinko, Yaya Diaby, Chris Braswell, Markees Watts, Anthony Nelson, Randy Gregory
ILB: Lavonte David, KJ Britt, Sirvocea Dennis, JJ Russell
CB: Jamal Dean, Bryce Hall, Zyon Mccollum, Tavierre Thomas, Quandre Mosely
S: Antoine Winfield Jr, Jordan Whitehead, Christian Izien, Tykee Smith
LS: Evan Deckers
P: Jake Carmada
K: Chase McLaughlin
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Quandre Mosely - he was cut.
All teams are using their practice squad in roster planning. I think we could do better using our IR as our talent grows.
All teams are using their practice squad in roster planning. I think we could do better using our IR as our talent grows.
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We will focus on someone that is a guard/center back-up I would think. Plus practice squad eligibility.
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They are also good at talent evaluation and developing talent. Something I think the Buccaneers are not as good at.Bootz wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 9:20 pmIt seems like we're trying our darnedest to keep that SB roster for as long as we can. 2 things the Patriots & Chiefs did that helped them build dynasties are 1: they found a QB. And 2, probably as important as finding the QB, they moved on from players as soon as their value was out outweighed by their price tag. They weren't afraid to trade young players on their prime whereas we think it's more important that they become long term franchise players. But in trading young players they got resources in return which allowed them to turn the roster over year after year to field the best possible 53 man roster.Snake wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 8:51 pm Looking through this roster, it just shows you how good the Super Bowl roster was. Hard to imagine will see the one like that anytime soon.
This season, the Bucs need the old guard to remain studs and/or healthy (Evans, LVD, Vea, Dean). No small feat. Long in the teeth or prone to getting hurt already.
And frankly, they need a whole lot of young guys to take a step forward. These stick out:
McCollum, Mauch, Kancey, Dennis, Diaby.
I’ve given up on JTS being a stud, and Nelson is Nelson. An admirable JAG.
That ain't us and probably never will be under Licht.
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Interesting on the roster construction. I wonder how much things like likely player health, the ability of TE play, etc impact roster decisions. Example: Having Gronk likely made WR 4/5 less important.kaimaru wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 12:17 am I was noticing how our rosters have built built since Arians got here and how Bowles constructed his roster last year. 3 QBs/4 RBs/6 WRs/4 TEs/9 OLs and Bowles reduced QBs to 2 and WRs to 5.
On defense Arians had 6 DLs/5 OLBs/4 ILBs/5 CBs/4 Ss to adding a 6th OLB and CB.
I think this all due to have mostly 2 WR sets. Now that we are 3 WRs sets the question is do we reduce OLB by one where Bowles loves to rotate players all game or CB where the team has been bitten before. My thought is this. Since he is crosstraining CB and S that he will add back a 6th WR and keep 6 OLBs.
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I agree. And I think that's why we try to hold on to any player who worked out well here for as long as humanly possible. Even long after their price tag outweighs their value.13F11B wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 9:09 amThey are also good at talent evaluation and developing talent. Something I think the Buccaneers are not as good at.Bootz wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 9:20 pm
It seems like we're trying our darnedest to keep that SB roster for as long as we can. 2 things the Patriots & Chiefs did that helped them build dynasties are 1: they found a QB. And 2, probably as important as finding the QB, they moved on from players as soon as their value was out outweighed by their price tag. They weren't afraid to trade young players on their prime whereas we think it's more important that they become long term franchise players. But in trading young players they got resources in return which allowed them to turn the roster over year after year to field the best possible 53 man roster.
That ain't us and probably never will be under Licht.
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When it all starts it will be which 21 players get cut.
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What kind of players are we going to need with this new fango kick off?
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Wait... I'm sorry... are we whining about resigning our all star players because we already won a SB with them?
Y'all talk about these guys like the glory years are behind them. Evans is the oldest at 30. What are y'all taking about?
Y'all talk about these guys like the glory years are behind them. Evans is the oldest at 30. What are y'all taking about?
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Actually not 1 person is whining about that or even mentioned that as being a problem. But in true Doc effort to try and be the smartest in the room you fabricated a position and then created an argument to your fabrication.
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Ah okay, hewww. Sometimes these posts can come off a bit tricky.
Can't think of a single player on the roster I'm not happy having re-signed.
Evans, AWJ, Casey, Baker, LVD.
Can't think of a single player on the roster I'm not happy having re-signed.
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I definitely did notice the Patriots used to trade off their better players and always think it was a good strategy. But the Chiefs and Patriots both had one thing that we don’t: a superstar at QB
What other options do we have than to re-sign our talent when we have a mid tier QB?
And the Bucs aren’t good at growing talent? Licht’s Bucs have found a ton of talent in the draft compared to most other teams it seems
What other options do we have than to re-sign our talent when we have a mid tier QB?
And the Bucs aren’t good at growing talent? Licht’s Bucs have found a ton of talent in the draft compared to most other teams it seems
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Specifically about this, not questioning or debating your roster prediction, but getting your opinion. You noted the difference in roster building. Do you think it's because of the players or the coaching philosophy? I ask because I was under the same impression as you, but I went back and looked at the Bucs opening day roster in 2022 (Bowles' 1st season as HC), and noticed that he had 3 QB's, 4 RB's, 7 WR's, 3 TE's, & 8 OLs.kaimaru wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 1:02 am I was noticing how our rosters have built built since Arians got here and how Bowles constructed his roster last year. 3 QBs/4 RBs/6 WRs/4 TEs/9 OLs and Bowles reduced QBs to 2 and WRs to 5.
On defense Arians had 6 DLs/5 OLBs/4 ILBs/5 CBs/4 Ss to adding a 6th OLB and CB.
I think this all due to have mostly 2 WR sets. Now that we are 3 WRs sets the question is do we reduce OLB by one where Bowles loves to rotate players all game or CB where the team has been bitten before. My thought is this. Since he is crosstraining CB and S that he will add back a 6th WR and keep 6 OLBs.
Wolford was added back to the roster at the very end of Oct 31 when QB injuries started to add up. I am guessing this will happen again.
Maybe having Brady, he felt that an extra QB (because of Brady's age), was more prudent and also assuming a healthy Brady, a more pass oriented offense made sense. With Mayfield, he's younger, so you'd expect less chance of injury and more athletic (escapability), but also a less commodity with passing, so he'd be more run oriented?
On defense, he had 7 DL's, 8 LB's (4/4), 5 CB's, & 3 S's... so he evidently added a DL, dropped an OLB, and dropped as safety in Y1, then in Y2, he kept 7 DL's, added 2 OLB's, added a CB, and dropped a safety. If that basically player preference, scheme, or expectations of what he expects from the offense? Not sure I know.
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I think the answer to the offense was scheme and to some extent Brady. Leftwich used 12 but really only on first down or short yardage, while Canales was going to 12 personnel in a lot more situations. That added a TE and removed a WR. I am thinking since we didn't replace Jensen and thought he may come back by the playoffs was the reasoning for 8 OL.CannonFire wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 10:38 amSpecifically about this, not questioning or debating your roster prediction, but getting your opinion. You noted the difference in roster building. Do you think it's because of the players or the coaching philosophy? I ask because I was under the same impression as you, but I went back and looked at the Bucs opening day roster in 2022 (Bowles' 1st season as HC), and noticed that he had 3 QB's, 4 RB's, 7 WR's, 3 TE's, & 8 OLs.kaimaru wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 1:02 am I was noticing how our rosters have built built since Arians got here and how Bowles constructed his roster last year. 3 QBs/4 RBs/6 WRs/4 TEs/9 OLs and Bowles reduced QBs to 2 and WRs to 5.
On defense Arians had 6 DLs/5 OLBs/4 ILBs/5 CBs/4 Ss to adding a 6th OLB and CB.
I think this all due to have mostly 2 WR sets. Now that we are 3 WRs sets the question is do we reduce OLB by one where Bowles loves to rotate players all game or CB where the team has been bitten before. My thought is this. Since he is crosstraining CB and S that he will add back a 6th WR and keep 6 OLBs.
Wolford was added back to the roster at the very end of Oct 31 when QB injuries started to add up. I am guessing this will happen again.
Maybe having Brady, he felt that an extra QB (because of Brady's age), was more prudent and also assuming a healthy Brady, a more pass oriented offense made sense. With Mayfield, he's younger, so you'd expect less chance of injury and more athletic (escapability), but also a less commodity with passing, so he'd be more run oriented?
On defense, he had 7 DL's, 8 LB's (4/4), 5 CB's, & 3 S's... so he evidently added a DL, dropped an OLB, and dropped as safety in Y1, then in Y2, he kept 7 DL's, added 2 OLB's, added a CB, and dropped a safety. If that basically player preference, scheme, or expectations of what he expects from the offense? Not sure I know.
I think the defensively it's more player preference. He likes to have all his players to a little of everything so he can disguise the defense. That's why he cross trains his secondary and LBs to do a lot more than many teams ask them to do
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According to Pewter Report Mauch added a lot weight this offseason (good weight). For those of you down on him.
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But that can be. I've been repeatedly told that expecting young 20 somethings to actually grow and develop is foolish.
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Was weight the problem?Central_Buc wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 7:24 pm According to Pewter Report Mauch added a lot weight this offseason (good weight). For those of you down on him.
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Since he was criticized for his play (even on here), having a poor PFF score and that may have been due to being under weight for an average starting Guard. Licht was on Pewter report to refute (PFF) and brought up Alex Cappa who, unlike Mauch, did not start his rookie season. But Mauch spent a lot of time in the weight room this offseason.Snake wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 7:48 pmWas weight the problem?Central_Buc wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 7:24 pm According to Pewter Report Mauch added a lot weight this offseason (good weight). For those of you down on him.
On another note Vea had lost weight this off-season to better take care of his body/health. In addition, may be expecting a quicker version of him, more pressure on QB.
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Adding good weight can’t hurt. Mauch has said he intended to create a more guard like frame.Snake wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 7:48 pmWas weight the problem?Central_Buc wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 7:24 pm According to Pewter Report Mauch added a lot weight this offseason (good weight). For those of you down on him.
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Get your teethGrahamburn wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 6:07 amAdding good weight can’t hurt. Mauch has said he intended to create a more guard like frame.
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ExactlyGrahamburn wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 6:07 amAdding good weight can’t hurt. Mauch has said he intended to create a more guard like frame.
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Right. But was weight the problem last season?
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Kinda already answered you, even Cohen in hi PC weeks ago said we were undersized at G last year. This was why they added Opeta (who is currently starting in Ota) and the other one from the Giants. Edit: Bredeson. Plus the 6'9 G from Germany Metz who probably a long shot.
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THE problem? No. He's adding weight. Another year at the position. Likely improved technique and understanding of defenses. There are all kinds of factors that could help him improve.
He started playing better later in the season. Go look at Rachaad's game logs and how the ypc really started to improve in week 12. 6 games over 4.0 ypc (including both playoff games) for him whereas weeks 1-11 he had just 2 such games.
https://www.pewterreport.com/cody-mauch ... ound-game/
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There's a level of irony in assuming it's a forgone conclusion that Mauch will improve in year 2 because Goedeke did while ignoring the fact that Goedeke's improvement can mostly be attributed to the fact that he's playing his natural position.
Weight gains/losses can have consequences good and bad. Putting on weight you're not use to playing with can lead to injuries, other fitness issues, loss of athletism. Logan Hall IIRC put on weight from year 1 to 2 and he got even worse. Noah Spence use to have a weight fluctuation annually and we see how that went.
To answer @Snake's question, weight wasn't the problem as much as play strength. He looked and played very weak. So I couldn't care less if he puts on 10 or 100 pounds. It's not gonna matter worth a damn if he doesn't get his strength up.
Weight gains/losses can have consequences good and bad. Putting on weight you're not use to playing with can lead to injuries, other fitness issues, loss of athletism. Logan Hall IIRC put on weight from year 1 to 2 and he got even worse. Noah Spence use to have a weight fluctuation annually and we see how that went.
To answer @Snake's question, weight wasn't the problem as much as play strength. He looked and played very weak. So I couldn't care less if he puts on 10 or 100 pounds. It's not gonna matter worth a damn if he doesn't get his strength up.
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It's an optimistic viewpoint based on historical data. Is it infallible? No. He may never improve. Nobody can predict the future for these guys.
However, he added about 80 pounds of good weight in college to convert from TE to LT. Is it that unbelievable that he could add another 10 pounds of good weight in his first NFL off-season leading to improved play strength? I don't think it's a huge stretch. Reports out of OTAs already stated he looks bigger/stronger.
However, he added about 80 pounds of good weight in college to convert from TE to LT. Is it that unbelievable that he could add another 10 pounds of good weight in his first NFL off-season leading to improved play strength? I don't think it's a huge stretch. Reports out of OTAs already stated he looks bigger/stronger.
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Sometimes I think guys on here only want to see the negative because they're so used to shitty Bucs teams that not getting their hopes up helps them not feel so let down if they fail. For every positive someone mentions in here, 3 or 4 people jump in to tear it down. It's quite comical sometimes.
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It’s too bad.Buc2 wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 12:38 pm Sometimes I think guys on here only want to see the negative because they're so used to shitty Bucs teams that not getting their hopes up helps them not feel so let down if they fail. For every positive someone mentions in here, 3 or 4 people jump in to tear it down. It's quite comical sometimes.
I personally think we’re building a badass offensive line. I’m excited to watch them grow together.
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BDS (Bucs Derangement Syndrom) - Too many losing seasons has killed the optimism of its fan base.Grahamburn wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 1:24 pmIt’s too bad.Buc2 wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 12:38 pm Sometimes I think guys on here only want to see the negative because they're so used to shitty Bucs teams that not getting their hopes up helps them not feel so let down if they fail. For every positive someone mentions in here, 3 or 4 people jump in to tear it down. It's quite comical sometimes.
I personally think we’re building a badass offensive line. I’m excited to watch them grow together.
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Yea, who cares about having a realistic or logical analysis? Forget the truth and just go with optimism. THAT makes you a real fan
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Yes, because that's what I was saying.
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