***2024 NFL Offseason thread ***

[Bootz]

Fun fact of the day

...and made 2nd team "All Pro" and the pro bowl....whatever that was at the time.

There are still 1st & 2nd team all-pro designations. Mike Evans made the 2nd team this past season.

[Four Verticals]

...and made 2nd team "All Pro" and the pro bowl....whatever that was at the time.

There are still 1st & 2nd team all-pro designations. Mike Evans made the 2nd team this past season.

I meant in 1962 when there were 7 AFL teams. Were there combined All Pro teams at a time when the AFL was looked upon as an inferior league?

Maybe there were but I don't think there was the case.

[Bootz]

That #1 overall hype is something else.

[Snake]

That #1 overall hype is something else.

Hilarious

[BucsNBills]

That boy cares more about his hair than he does football. You can see it in his eyes when doing press conferences. Plus he's been mid as fuck on the football field which tracks with his lack of love and passion for the game.

[Snake]

He started looking human during that last year at Clemson. It wasn’t clicking for me. And, voila.

[Bootz]

He started looking human during that last year at Clemson. It wasn’t clicking for me. And, voila.

I can't put my finger on why he started looking human. All he lost was a #1 WR in Tee Higgins...Can't imagine what went wrong.


Seriously though I think Jacksonville pretty much knows what they have in TL which is why they are so aggressive in adding skills players around him. Christian Kirk, Zay Jones, Evan Engram, Travis Etienne, Gabe Davis, Devin Duvernay, Brian Thomas. TL isn't that guy that's gonna elevate those around him, he needs talent around him to thrive.

[Phantom]

I remember some of you wish for the Bucs to lose all of the games in order to draft Trevor Lawrence.

[Bootz]

I remember some of you wish for the Bucs to lose all of the games in order to draft Trevor Lawrence.

Yea he was another on that long list of "once in a generation" QBs that came into the league those last few drafts, along with Burrow, Tua, Herbert, Young and now Caleb Williams. 6 "once in a generation" QBs in the past 5 drafts. Imagine that.

[acmillis]

I remember some of you wish for the Bucs to lose all of the games in order to draft Trevor Lawrence.

Yea he was another on that long list of "once in a generation" QBs that came into the league those last few drafts, along with Burrow, Tua, Herbert, Young and now Caleb Williams. 6 "once in a generation" QBs in the past 5 drafts. Imagine that.

Don’t hurt yourself stretching there, Bootz.
TL and Caleb are the only ones people were even remotely having that conversation about.

[Phantom]

Caleb Williams? He is far from being a quarterback of a once in a generation caliber.

[Snake]

Generational means nothing. Just another buzzword by the media to get more people to watch draft coverage.

[Bootz]

Yea he was another on that long list of "once in a generation" QBs that came into the league those last few drafts, along with Burrow, Tua, Herbert, Young and now Caleb Williams. 6 "once in a generation" QBs in the past 5 drafts. Imagine that.

Don’t hurt yourself stretching there, Bootz.
TL and Caleb are the only ones people were even remotely having that conversation about.

Are you gonna pretend "Tank for Tua" was never a thing? If so, that's your prerogative. But Tua was absolutely in that conversation.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.therin ... raft-class


Also Burrow..

https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndicatio ... k.amp.html


Young

https://vsin.com/nfl/lombardi-why-bryce ... experience.

Herbert I'll give you. His hype didn't really drum up until after his rookie year. But it's been all downhill since. The others though we absolutely discussed as "generational" types.

[Doctor]

They hype up QBs every year, but TL was on the Luck, Winston, Caleb level. Guys who "would've been #1" had they been eligible and are pegged top pickthere a year, sometimes two, in advance

Tua was almost there but got overtaken. Burrow was one year and Young no where near the consensus hype.

It's incredibly hard for a GM to walk away from their top pick savior.

[Snake]

Putting Winston with those guys hahah

[Bootz]

Right. Jameis was never EVER close to that conversation. He just happened to be the "best" of a pretty weak group. That stands true today.

[acmillis]

Nobody knew who Burrow was until his last college season…

[Bootz]

Nobody knew who Burrow was until his last college season…

That didn't stop the media and analysts alike from calling him a generational talent. And he did end up being drafted 1st overall.

"Most pro ready QB since Andrew Luck"

[Deja Entendu]

Right. Jameis was never EVER close to that conversation. He just happened to be the "best" of a pretty weak group. That stands true today.

He was often given that hype, and the Bucs ignored the flags and bought in…

https://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/pos ... ndrew-luck

https://www.bucsnation.com/2015/4/23/84 ... ndrew-luck


https://www.businessinsider.com/nfl-sco ... uck-2015-4

https://walterfootball.com/scoutingrepo ... inston.php


Luckily for us, it paid off huge dividends as Winston led us to Brady and the Promised Land

[Sdbucs]

I remember some of you wish for the Bucs to lose all of the games in order to draft Trevor Lawrence.

Yea he was another on that long list of "once in a generation" QBs that came into the league those last few drafts, along with Burrow, Tua, Herbert, Young and now Caleb Williams. 6 "once in a generation" QBs in the past 5 drafts. Imagine that.

Bro this is the biggest load of shit post I’ve seen in a while

Herbert had a FAT ? by his name

Here’s how the pre draft tiers actually looked:

Generational - Caleb
Great - Burrow
Should be Great - Tlaw
Should be Good - Young, Tua, Herbert in that order

The only QB to get the same tag as Caleb in decades was Andrew Luck.

[Snake]

Among draftniks, Luck has been in a class of his own. Definitely the most hyped among forum posters since he came out. I mean the hype was there when he was a freshman too.

A bit of the hype came off of Lawrence his last year in college, but he was projected as a #1 savior type pick since HS. I think the generational label was definitely thrown on him, early and often.

[Bootz]

Yea he was another on that long list of "once in a generation" QBs that came into the league those last few drafts, along with Burrow, Tua, Herbert, Young and now Caleb Williams. 6 "once in a generation" QBs in the past 5 drafts. Imagine that.

Bro this is the biggest load of shit post I’ve seen in a while

Herbert had a FAT ? by his name

Here’s how the pre draft tiers actually looked:

Generational - Caleb
Great - Burrow
Should be Great - Tlaw
Should be Good - Young, Tua, Herbert in that order

The only QB to get the same tag as Caleb in decades was Andrew Luck.

Again, you're pretending "Tank for Tua" was never a thing. But okay.

[Doctor]

But did Tua actually go first overall? No.

[Bootz]

But did Tua actually go first overall? No.

That wasn't the point being argued. Try to keep up. This was the claim...

Don’t hurt yourself stretching there, Bootz.
TL and Caleb are the only ones people were even remotely having that conversation about.

Claim was that there was NEVER conversation about any of these guys being generational talents except Trevor & Caleb. That's false and everyone knows it.

[Doctor]

He's only wrong because he's leaving out Winston and Luck. But you are including waaaaaay too many people.

There's a #1 every year. There's a tank for every year. But we rarely get it right. Also, when it comes to "generational prospects" guys like Herbert, Burrow, or even Mahomes don't make the cut.

Generation prospects are guys who people are looking forward to years in advance. The ones who we say "if he could come out now, he'd go #1" and then actually proceeds to be #1 in their year. That hype is rare. 4 dudes on that list in the modern draft era.

[Buc2]

Right. Jameis was never EVER close to that conversation. He just happened to be the "best" of a pretty weak group. That stands true today.

He was often given that hype, and the Bucs ignored the flags and bought in…

https://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/pos ... ndrew-luck

https://www.bucsnation.com/2015/4/23/84 ... ndrew-luck


https://www.businessinsider.com/nfl-sco ... uck-2015-4

https://walterfootball.com/scoutingrepo ... inston.php


Luckily for us, it paid off huge dividends as Winston led us to Brady and the Promised Land

Silver lining, bro. Silver lining.

[Sdbucs]

Bro this is the biggest load of shit post I’ve seen in a while

Herbert had a FAT ? by his name

Here’s how the pre draft tiers actually looked:

Generational - Caleb
Great - Burrow
Should be Great - Tlaw
Should be Good - Young, Tua, Herbert in that order

The only QB to get the same tag as Caleb in decades was Andrew Luck.

Again, you're pretending "Tank for Tua" was never a thing. But okay.

Huge difference between “tank for x qb because we need a qb and this is the upcoming best qb in the class” and “tank for x qb, it’s a generational prospect”

Generational - Caleb and Luck
One smidge below generational- Burrow
Has all the tools to be great - Tlaw, Winston
Could be good - Everyone else

Those are the tiers of pre draft qb hype in the past decade or so.

Mayfield, Murray, Tua, etc. None of them were as hyped as anyone I named but people would still want to tank for them

[Doctor]

Pause.

Winston led FSU to a undefeated season while getting a national title, the Heisman and every other award that year at only 19 years old. He was every bit a generational prospect and the locked in first overall when he was eligible. Almost repeated the feat the following year too! 29-0 before his one college lost.


Did he turn out to be a real life Bo Callahan? Sure. Like Brady’s favorite proverb goes you can never really know if something is truly good or bad until the next perspective. As someone pointed out it lead us to Brady and ring. Had Licht made any other choice but "the wrong Winston one" he'd likely had been fired and we'd be a 1 chip team.

Anyone trying to retcon the Winston pick as anything else is trying too hard to be the smartest person in the room.

[Snake]

Why was Tebow not an über-generational prospect then?

[Doctor]

I do want to say this, I don't want to put it all on Winston either. I do believe there is totally an OC pairing where he would've shined and been a Big Ben 2.0. Dirk clearly wasn't it, on any level.

Now is that actually so? Who knows.
Maybe DK was the 1 in 100 coaches that could mess up Winston. Maybe there was only 1 in 100 coaches who could've saved Winston from himself. Maybe its somewhere in between.
We'll never know.

[Doctor]

Why was Tebow not an über-generational prospect then?

If you have to ask you have no business talking QBs.

[Snake]

You’re talking about undefeated seasons and heismans like it’s a meaningful part of evaluating a prospect. Yeah, you’re a good college QB if you do those things. But it’s not as meaningful as evaluating traits that translate to playing on an NFL field.

[Doctor]

Is this some sort of "but that wasn't real communism" thing?

I don't understand what some fans are trying to gain by pretending he wasn't generational. Or acting like his draft and NFL hype was anything like Tebows. Like, we lived it dude, we were there for both of them. One was locked at #1 for years the other a questionable first rounder. Trying to discredit Winston's actual hype by brining in the obvious lack of hype of someone else is silly.

[Snake]

Your insane defending of Winston (which lasted years) is clouding your memory.

[Doctor]

I've been very clear that I stand on the principles that there are no saviors, Fit is King and "Anybody But..." is stupid. Winston was defended by those as much as anyone, no more or less than Trask or anyone else has been.

The best teams work within those lines. If you are going in a certain direction you fit everything in that way and if you pivot you pivot completely. There are no real super heroes in the NFL. No one who will win no matter what.
On the opposite end, you pivot to improve, not pivot to pivot. The "anybody but" mentality is stupid. Whether its Winston, Baker, Donovan Smith, or anyone. You move when you have a marked improvement in sight you are willing to bet your career on. Not "well, can't be worse".

Something "we may as well see what we have in Trask" people don't understand.