Aw thanks, I appreciate it. But I'd be a terrible general poster. I enjoy reading posts from those who know a lot more than me about the Xs and Os of the game, how our players fit our system, etc. I do pop in when someone has a question about an injury or other medical issue (I'm a physician, so I can contribute there), or in this case, to root on a Duke guy
All of that might be true except the terrible poster part. I am thinking I know the least on the board about X’s and O’s And still have a lot of fun. You are a Bucs fan so your voice is welcome. We are your tribe. Oh and please don’t leave me alone with these guys
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Snake wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 4:24 pm
You won’t find a good message board if everybody agrees on everything
But disagreeing just for the sake of it isn't exactly great content either.
You just said he would've been your top pick for the Bucs, are you reacting like a person who just had their team draft the guy you wanted most?
Bootz has his own reputation. So of course he will comment on your post saying us idiot fans are just hyping up our draft pick because of pewter colored glasses. Only to end it with "He'll be really good for us though" Okay?? Is there some pessimism quota to hit in order to post?
It just seems like you have done everything except say "Nice pick, that is exactly who I would have taken there. I hope he works out." I get you might find that crappy content. But just trying to find the negative outlook on everything, even the move you would have made yourself doesn't seem great either.
Aw thanks, I appreciate it. But I'd be a terrible general poster. I enjoy reading posts from those who know a lot more than me about the Xs and Os of the game, how our players fit our system, etc. I do pop in when someone has a question about an injury or other medical issue (I'm a physician, so I can contribute there), or in this case, to root on a Duke guy
You can contribute just by expressing your opinions, hopes, and dreams. You certainly don’t have to confine your posts to medical stuff. I’m an accountant. That doesn’t stop me from offering my opinions regardless the topic. lol
I am pleased with this pick. As it says in the posted article below, except for untimely injuries, 1st round centers are the safest pick in the draft. We needed this guy badly, I hope he plays all the way to his full potential and I'll dare dream that in next year's re-draft listings they bump him up to the second, maybe third offensive lineman taken because he was that good as a rookie.
In any draft you always have a choice. The cheesehead who hung his head in shame at the guy the Packers picked? We've been there. Only in hindsight will we know if we missed out on a Hall of Famer who was picked 27th or 28th but in the meantime I'm happy, now maybe just maybe our run game won't suck this coming fall. We shall see.
Snake wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 4:41 pm
A 9.99 athletic score, 35 college starts, and he’s the eighth offensive lineman off the board. There’s a little bit more going on here.
reagan SMASH wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 5:35 pm
Aw thanks, I appreciate it. But I'd be a terrible general poster. I enjoy reading posts from those who know a lot more than me about the Xs and Os of the game, how our players fit our system, etc. I do pop in when someone has a question about an injury or other medical issue (I'm a physician, so I can contribute there), or in this case, to root on a Duke guy
You can contribute just by expressing your opinions, hopes, and dreams. You certainly don’t have to confine your posts to medical stuff. I’m an accountant. That doesn’t stop me from offering my opinions regardless the topic. lol
Snake wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 4:41 pm
A 9.99 athletic score, 35 college starts, and he’s the eighth offensive lineman off the board. There’s a little bit more going on here.
But disagreeing just for the sake of it isn't exactly great content either.
You just said he would've been your top pick for the Bucs, are you reacting like a person who just had their team draft the guy you wanted most?
Bootz has his own reputation. So of course he will comment on your post saying us idiot fans are just hyping up our draft pick because of pewter colored glasses. Only to end it with "He'll be really good for us though" Okay?? Is there some pessimism quota to hit in order to post?
It just seems like you have done everything except say "Nice pick, that is exactly who I would have taken there. I hope he works out." I get you might find that crappy content. But just trying to find the negative outlook on everything, even the move you would have made yourself doesn't seem great either.
Snake wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 1:39 pm
Just for those keeping track:
He’s very strong.
He has S-tier mobility.
He has a dream of a body.
He physically dominated a first round pick edge player.
He played multiple OL positions in college.
But for some reason, there were a ton of offensive linemen taken ahead of him.
I don't understand people outsourcing doing their own thinking.
So you list several things other people have seen and think about the guy. And then your counter is "but other people have their own opinion".
Cheb wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 2:42 am
First impression, I like the pick. Graham Barton was an alternative pick in my big Bucs' mock draft this year and for good reasons. From what I've seen of him, Graham seems very quick on his feet, he's technically sound, and he demonstrates some grit as a run blocker.
Part of me is leery at repeating the same experiment of shoving college tackles into interior positions and hoping they work out, but Graham seems like a solid player so three cheers for optimism. Guys at his size with those kind of movement skills don't grow on trees, even in the NFL.
I'll have to watch some game film of him before I'll stick firmer to any particular opinion.
Welcome to the Bucs, Graham.
He was Dukes starting C as a freshman, was forced to LT for simply being there best blocker.
I like the pick, IOL was our biggest need and we got the best one on the draft. He should be a Pro Bowler for us.
reagan SMASH wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 5:35 pm
Aw thanks, I appreciate it. But I'd be a terrible general poster. I enjoy reading posts from those who know a lot more than me about the Xs and Os of the game, how our players fit our system, etc. I do pop in when someone has a question about an injury or other medical issue (I'm a physician, so I can contribute there), or in this case, to root on a Duke guy
All of that might be true except the terrible poster part. I am thinking I know the least on the board about X’s and O’s And still have a lot of fun. You are a Bucs fan so your voice is welcome. We are your tribe. Oh and please don’t leave me alone with these guys
haha, yeah since MJW left you might be the only regular female poster. Represent!
Thanks for the kind words, I'll try to post more often. Just don't expect any mindblowing analysis :p
The Bucs have had one of the worst running games the last 2 seasons. The primary cause of that is poor offensive line play. This was a desperate need for the Bucs. But what additions to the OL have the Bucs made in the draft since that first round pick?
In contrast the Pittsburg Steelers decided they needed to upgrade their offensive line. What have they done this draft?
Troy Fautanu OT Round 1 Pick 20 (20)
Zach Frazier C Round 2 Pick 19 (51)
Mason McCormick G Round 4 Pick 19 (119)
The Bucs should have had a draft similar to the Steelers to fix their running game.
All of that might be true except the terrible poster part. I am thinking I know the least on the board about X’s and O’s And still have a lot of fun. You are a Bucs fan so your voice is welcome. We are your tribe. Oh and please don’t leave me alone with these guys
haha, yeah since MJW left you might be the only regular female poster. Represent!
Thanks for the kind words, I'll try to post more often. Just don't expect any mindblowing analysis :p
The only mind blowing analysis on this board is in certain posters heads lol
Snake wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 4:41 pm
A 9.99 athletic score, 35 college starts, and he’s the eighth offensive lineman off the board. There’s a little bit more going on here.
Tristan Wirfs was the 4th tackle selected in 2020. The 4 tackles combined have 3 Pro Bowls, all earned by Tristan Wirfs.
Raven's Pro Bowl C Tyler Linderbaum was the 7th OL off the board in 2022.
Speaking of Linderbaum... here's a list of the first round centers since 2016:
2016: Ryan Kelly
2018: Frank Ragnow, Billy Price
2019: Garrett Bradbury
2020: Cesar Ruiz
2022: Tyler Linderbaum
Of those, only Billy Price isn't still starting for the team who drafted him.
Snake wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 1:39 pm
Just for those keeping track:
He’s very strong.
He has S-tier mobility.
He has a dream of a body.
He physically dominated a first round pick edge player.
He played multiple OL positions in college.
But for some reason, there were a ton of offensive linemen taken ahead of him.
His pass protection and hand technique needs a lot of work. Gave up too many pressures at LT. He is a bit of a draft darling where they all presume his weaknesses and issues they say is all relating to short arms will be mitigated or suddenly disappear up if he changes positions. Problem is that requires a lot of projection, more so than other 1st round picks.
As we have seen, that doesn't always work out. Especially when he has to make the transition in the NFL vs even stronger players on the inside. Don't be surprised at least if Barton struggles year one and people are not happy picking a guy in the 1st round who is not translating quickly.
He is a tremendous athlete and has lots of good traits so I wouldn't put it past him. However, he has a much harder transition than if the Bucs picked a guy who played C in college lots of snaps and dominated doing so.
Snake wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 1:39 pm
Just for those keeping track:
He’s very strong.
He has S-tier mobility.
He has a dream of a body.
He physically dominated a first round pick edge player.
He played multiple OL positions in college.
But for some reason, there were a ton of offensive linemen taken ahead of him.
His pass protection and hand technique needs a lot of work. Gave up too many pressures at LT. He is a bit of a draft darling where they all presume his weaknesses and issues they say is all relating to short arms will be mitigated or suddenly disappear up if he changes positions. Problem is that requires a lot of projection, more so than other 1st round picks.
As we have seen, that doesn't always work out. Especially when he has to make the transition in the NFL vs even stronger players on the inside. Don't be surprised at least if Barton struggles year one and people are not happy picking a guy in the 1st round who is not translating quickly.
He is a tremendous athlete and has lots of good traits so I wouldn't put it past him. However, he has a much harder transition than if the Bucs picked a guy who played C in college lots of snaps and dominated doing so.
See: Hainsey. Wasn’t he ND’s starting RT for like 3 seasons?
Obsolete wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 11:48 pm
A lot of the time when he "loses", its 4 or 5 seconds after the snap. So overall i wouldn't count those as loses.
Dukes QB was holding the ball forever it seems.
Several reps in there where he dominates Verse and Fiske.
I think you can tell he's playing like he's getting all he can handle. Not a bad thing for a first round pick, and he gets Verse a bit, too. But I am certainly glad he will be inside where he can be a lot more aggressive and get the initial punch without being as vulnerable to speed.
