2024 NFL Draft, What are the Bucs needs?

[Bootz]

Remember, the most important thing is being unpredictable. Surprises are what the draft is really about.

This isn't WWE. The element of surprise strokes the fans ego. Teams at the end of the day want the best possible player for their team.

[13F11B]

Can you list the 2024 center/guard prospects that have this same weakness?

Anyone under 330 pounds, even bulked up, Hainsey is 306. Also, look up his scouting reports, they all say he has issues with lower body strength. That is your anchor, a weak anchor a weak center

Regarding weight:
So, you think Creed Humphrey (302) is bad? You think Jason Kelce (295) is bad? How about Corey Linsley (301)? Frank Ragnow (310)?

Scouting reports:

Creed Humphrey
Weaknesses:
Very short arms for his size, allowing defenders to get shots into his frame.
Longer defenders separate and discard him.
Will give some early ground against strong bull rush.
Occasional drift against twisting fronts.
Susceptible against push-pull specialists.
Snap-to-step lateral quickness is average.
Doesn't generate noticeable push as a drive blocker at point of attack.
Gets a little grabby through contact on the move.

Jason Kelce
Weaknesses
Does not possess adequate bulk or much growth potential. Is susceptible to the bull rush in pass pro. Doesn't get much movement when run blocking and struggles to sustain. Must watch his pad level. Can struggle to find his target at the second level.

Not sure but I think the scouting reports may have been a bit off on those two centers. What do you think?

[Selmon Rules]

Remember, the most important thing is being unpredictable. Surprises are what the draft is really about.

Like that time we drafted a kicker in the 2nd round

I was surprised

[13F11B]

Remember, the most important thing is being unpredictable. Surprises are what the draft is really about.

Like that time we drafted a kicker in the 2nd round

I was surprised

I was pissed.

[Big Irv]

Bucs biggest needs are players with cool nicknames, like “Chop” and players with last names matching the city they play in.

[Grahamburn]

Bucs biggest needs are players with cool nicknames, like “Chop” and players with last names matching the city they play in.

Kool-Aid.

[Doctor]

Remember, the most important thing is being unpredictable. Surprises are what the draft is really about.

This isn't WWE. The element of surprise strokes the fans ego. Teams at the end of the day want the best possible player for their team.

I expected the joke to go over someone's head. Surprised it was you.

[mdb1958]

3rd down defensive line..

[kaimaru]

Anyone under 330 pounds, even bulked up, Hainsey is 306. Also, look up his scouting reports, they all say he has issues with lower body strength. That is your anchor, a weak anchor a weak center

Regarding weight:
So, you think Creed Humphrey (302) is bad? You think Jason Kelce (295) is bad? How about Corey Linsley (301)? Frank Ragnow (310)?

Scouting reports:

Creed Humphrey
Weaknesses:
Very short arms for his size, allowing defenders to get shots into his frame.
Longer defenders separate and discard him.
Will give some early ground against strong bull rush.
Occasional drift against twisting fronts.
Susceptible against push-pull specialists.
Snap-to-step lateral quickness is average.
Doesn't generate noticeable push as a drive blocker at point of attack.
Gets a little grabby through contact on the move.

Jason Kelce
Weaknesses
Does not possess adequate bulk or much growth potential. Is susceptible to the bull rush in pass pro. Doesn't get much movement when run blocking and struggles to sustain. Must watch his pad level. Can struggle to find his target at the second level.

Not sure but I think the scouting reports may have been a bit off on those two centers. What do you think?

Creed Humphrey had great technique, aggressiveness, strong, tough, and was already calling assignments when he came into the NFL. There is no way you can compare him to Hainsey at all. In fact, Humphrey was so polished that he was calling line protections in college.

You can compare Jason Kelce, but as we have said about Brady, the exception is not the rule. If you have a few more more barely 300 pound centers that were considered undersized and lacked in power and technique, as both of those players were (not Humphrey, he had excellent play strength), then you would have a point. The true differences between Hainsey and Kelce was that Hainsey had better technique and better footwork

[mdb1958]

Fun facto - we don't have an offensive lineman with more than 4 years of experience.

[13F11B]

Regarding weight:
So, you think Creed Humphrey (302) is bad? You think Jason Kelce (295) is bad? How about Corey Linsley (301)? Frank Ragnow (310)?

Scouting reports:

Creed Humphrey
Weaknesses:
Very short arms for his size, allowing defenders to get shots into his frame.
Longer defenders separate and discard him.
Will give some early ground against strong bull rush.
Occasional drift against twisting fronts.
Susceptible against push-pull specialists.
Snap-to-step lateral quickness is average.
Doesn't generate noticeable push as a drive blocker at point of attack.
Gets a little grabby through contact on the move.

Jason Kelce
Weaknesses
Does not possess adequate bulk or much growth potential. Is susceptible to the bull rush in pass pro. Doesn't get much movement when run blocking and struggles to sustain. Must watch his pad level. Can struggle to find his target at the second level.

Not sure but I think the scouting reports may have been a bit off on those two centers. What do you think?

Creed Humphrey had great technique, aggressiveness, strong, tough, and was already calling assignments when he came into the NFL. There is no way you can compare him to Hainsey at all. In fact, Humphrey was so polished that he was calling line protections in college.

You can compare Jason Kelce, but as we have said about Brady, the exception is not the rule. If you have a few more more barely 300 pound centers that were considered undersized and lacked in power and technique, as both of those players were (not Humphrey, he had excellent play strength), then you would have a point. The true differences between Hainsey and Kelce was that Hainsey had better technique and better footwork

My point was not to compare them. My point was that the judging centers on weight alone is not a correct method.

So, what about the other two mentioned: Corey Linsley (301)? Frank Ragnow (310)

you can add:
Tyler Linderbaum (305)
David Andrews (300)
Brian Allen (303)

It appears that Hainsey is in good company with his weight.

Do you think the following sounds good:
POSITIVES

—Extremely efficient footwork, use of hands and understanding of how to manipulate leverage.
—Firm, compact striker in pass protection with outstanding timing, placement and dexterity.
—Shows excellent football IQ and processing to diagnose stunts, blitzes and line games.
—Tremendous weight distribution and understanding of leverage to consistently sustain, control and steer his blocks.
—Relentless finisher through the whistle who runs downfield to find and help up the ball-carrier.
—Has the needed short-area quickness to reach and scoop shaded and gapped over defenders plus intersect backers on his climb.

Do I have a point yet?

[Sdbucs]

My head says Oline or Dline but I wouldn’t be too upset if we found another weapon for the offense

[Bootz]

Fun facto - we don't have an offensive lineman with more than 4 years of experience.

I assume you mean that we drafted or has played for us. Opeta was with Philly for 5 seasons.

[mdb1958]

Fun facto - we don't have an offensive lineman with more than 4 years of experience.

I assume you mean that we drafted or has played for us. Opeta was with Philly for 5 seasons.

If you are right, then the other guys are wrong.

[13F11B]

I assume you mean that we drafted or has played for us. Opeta was with Philly for 5 seasons.

If you are right, then the other guys are wrong.

He is new to the team so perhaps they wrote that before hand.

[mdb1958]

If you are right, then the other guys are wrong.

He is new to the team so perhaps they wrote that before hand.

I was tempted to do a "no" response to Bootz - he's fond of that.

[kaimaru]

Do you think the following sounds good:
POSITIVES

—Extremely efficient footwork, use of hands and understanding of how to manipulate leverage.
—Firm, compact striker in pass protection with outstanding timing, placement and dexterity.
—Shows excellent football IQ and processing to diagnose stunts, blitzes and line games.
—Tremendous weight distribution and understanding of leverage to consistently sustain, control and steer his blocks.
—Relentless finisher through the whistle who runs downfield to find and help up the ball-carrier.
—Has the needed short-area quickness to reach and scoop shaded and gapped over defenders plus intersect backers on his climb.

Do I have a point yet?

Let's look at some serious negatives since you want to go there:

—Will get stood up and knocked back on some angle blocks against interior defensive linemen who win initial leverage into his frame
—Slow burn anchoring ability because of mediocre hand and posterior strength; releverages himself under the bull-rush well to strain through
—There are concerns about Hainsey’s strength in the NFL. A bulky upper-body and relatively skinny legs forces him to struggle anchoring against tougher competition
—He doesn’t generate a ton of power from his lower half and core; he did a solid job reaching outside and blocking down the line of scrimmage in the run game
—As an early-to-mid Day 3 pick, he projects well as versatile depth with scheme-specific starting potential at guard
—Top-heavy with lean legs
—Below-average athlete
—Has trouble catching his feet up with his eyes

Nothing screams he will be good at center. What here says he will?

[CannonFire]

Fun facto - we don't have an offensive lineman with more than 4 years of experience.

I assume you mean that we drafted or has played for us. Opeta was with Philly for 5 seasons.

Does a year where you never take a snap count as a "year of experience"?

[CannonFire]

If you are right, then the other guys are wrong.

He is new to the team so perhaps they wrote that before hand.

He was an undrafted FA signed by the Eagles in 2019. He never actually took a snap in that season, while he was activated for ONE game that year (Tues, Dec 3), it was merely a technicality as he was released one day later... then re-signed the following week (Dec 11). My guess is that people aren't counting 2019 as a year of experience. Though, that's only a guess.

[13F11B]

He is new to the team so perhaps they wrote that before hand.

He was an undrafted FA signed by the Eagles in 2019. He never actually took a snap in that season, while he was activated for ONE game that year (Tues, Dec 3), it was merely a technicality as he was released one day later... then re-signed the following week (Dec 11). My guess is that people aren't counting 2019 as a year of experience. Though, that's only a guess.

That might be it as well. Only the authors know.

[Bootz]

He is new to the team so perhaps they wrote that before hand.

He was an undrafted FA signed by the Eagles in 2019. He never actually took a snap in that season, while he was activated for ONE game that year (Tues, Dec 3), it was merely a technicality as he was released one day later... then re-signed the following week (Dec 11). My guess is that people aren't counting 2019 as a year of experience. Though, that's only a guess.

Kyle Trask didn't play a snap his in 2021 rookie season. He wasnt even active at all the entire year. So does that mean he's just a 2 year vet instead of 3?

[13F11B]

Do you think the following sounds good:
POSITIVES

—Extremely efficient footwork, use of hands and understanding of how to manipulate leverage.
—Firm, compact striker in pass protection with outstanding timing, placement and dexterity.
—Shows excellent football IQ and processing to diagnose stunts, blitzes and line games.
—Tremendous weight distribution and understanding of leverage to consistently sustain, control and steer his blocks.
—Relentless finisher through the whistle who runs downfield to find and help up the ball-carrier.
—Has the needed short-area quickness to reach and scoop shaded and gapped over defenders plus intersect backers on his climb.

Do I have a point yet?

Let's look at some serious negatives since you want to go there:

—Will get stood up and knocked back on some angle blocks against interior defensive linemen who win initial leverage into his frame
—Slow burn anchoring ability because of mediocre hand and posterior strength; releverages himself under the bull-rush well to strain through
—There are concerns about Hainsey’s strength in the NFL. A bulky upper-body and relatively skinny legs forces him to struggle anchoring against tougher competition
—He doesn’t generate a ton of power from his lower half and core; he did a solid job reaching outside and blocking down the line of scrimmage in the run game
—As an early-to-mid Day 3 pick, he projects well as versatile depth with scheme-specific starting potential at guard
—Top-heavy with lean legs
—Below-average athlete
—Has trouble catching his feet up with his eyes

Nothing screams he will be good at center. What here says he will?

I completely understand. However, it is not his weight that is an issue. The person I responded to was concerned with weight. Personally, I prefer to look at what they do in real games versus worrying about ideal weight or how high they jump in a pair of gym shorts.

[CannonFire]

He was an undrafted FA signed by the Eagles in 2019. He never actually took a snap in that season, while he was activated for ONE game that year (Tues, Dec 3), it was merely a technicality as he was released one day later... then re-signed the following week (Dec 11). My guess is that people aren't counting 2019 as a year of experience. Though, that's only a guess.

Kyle Trask didn't play a snap his in 2021 rookie season. So does that mean he's just a 2 year vet instead of 3?

Trask actually spent game day on the active roster... Opeta never did. He literally spent the entire season on the practice squad and getting released almost weekly. The NFL may not actually consider that a year of experience. When you go to the Bucs website, it says that this year will be his 5th season. Don't shoot the messenger just because you don't like the message.

[mdb1958]

UDfA's get no respect.

[CannonFire]

Heard an interview with Penix last night, then watched some videos. I like this young man. If he falls, I know we're not taking him at #26 (stupid not to do so, but that's the grave we've dug for ourselves), but if he gets to #32, we should trade up to get that 5th year opportunity. In 2018, the Ravens gave up picks 52, 125, & 2019 2nd rd pick to get Lamar Jackson (& pick #132). We have picks 57 & 125. If we can get the same deal... 57, 125, and 2025 2nd rounder for #32, we should do it. We use #26 on... whomever, and we'd still have picks 89, 92 & coincidentally pick #131, to draft other needs.

To note, the Ravens finished the prior year 9-7. It's not like the Eagles should have expected the Ravens 2nd round pick the following year to be very high, like in the top 7 to 10.

[mdb1958]

LJ would demand a trade on our roster. Spoiled with what could be worse.. He'd be done without a running game.

[CannonFire]

LJ would demand a trade on our roster. Spoiled with what could be worse.. He'd be done without a running game.

I couldn't care less about Lamar Jackson, I was only using him as an example of the compensation needing to get from the 50's back to #32 for a QB.

[Bootz]

Heard an interview with Penix last night, then watched some videos. I like this young man. If he falls, I know we're not taking him at #26 (stupid not to do so, but that's the grave we've dug for ourselves), but if he gets to #32, we should trade up to get that 5th year opportunity. In 2018, the Ravens gave up picks 52, 125, & 2019 2nd rd pick to get Lamar Jackson (& pick #132). We have picks 57 & 125. If we can get the same deal... 57, 125, and 2025 2nd rounder for #32, we should do it. We use #26 on... whomever, and we'd still have picks 89, 92 & coincidentally pick #131, to draft other needs.

To note, the Ravens finished the prior year 9-7. It's not like the Eagles should have expected the Ravens 2nd round pick the following year to be very high, like in the top 7 to 10.

I'd use a 3rd on Penix. Not trading up for a 24 year old rookie with an extensive injury history.

[CannonFire]

Heard an interview with Penix last night, then watched some videos. I like this young man. If he falls, I know we're not taking him at #26 (stupid not to do so, but that's the grave we've dug for ourselves), but if he gets to #32, we should trade up to get that 5th year opportunity. In 2018, the Ravens gave up picks 52, 125, & 2019 2nd rd pick to get Lamar Jackson (& pick #132). We have picks 57 & 125. If we can get the same deal... 57, 125, and 2025 2nd rounder for #32, we should do it. We use #26 on... whomever, and we'd still have picks 89, 92 & coincidentally pick #131, to draft other needs.

To note, the Ravens finished the prior year 9-7. It's not like the Eagles should have expected the Ravens 2nd round pick the following year to be very high, like in the top 7 to 10.

I'd use a 3rd on Penix. Not trading up for a 24 year old rookie with an extensive injury history.

Yeah, I've read comments like that... I'm not concerned. If the guy can play, he can play. Don't care if I only get 12 years from him and not 15. Also, he hasn't missed a game the last 2 seasons, so it's not like his injuries have hindered him recently. From what I hear, he might make it to the second round, but I doubt he gets even to us at 57, let along the 3rd. He still might even go in the first. I can see where Dallas, Arizona, or even Baltimore take him in the back part of R1.

[Grahamburn]

Heard an interview with Penix last night, then watched some videos. I like this young man. If he falls, I know we're not taking him at #26 (stupid not to do so, but that's the grave we've dug for ourselves), but if he gets to #32, we should trade up to get that 5th year opportunity. In 2018, the Ravens gave up picks 52, 125, & 2019 2nd rd pick to get Lamar Jackson (& pick #132). We have picks 57 & 125. If we can get the same deal... 57, 125, and 2025 2nd rounder for #32, we should do it. We use #26 on... whomever, and we'd still have picks 89, 92 & coincidentally pick #131, to draft other needs.

To note, the Ravens finished the prior year 9-7. It's not like the Eagles should have expected the Ravens 2nd round pick the following year to be very high, like in the top 7 to 10.

They’d also been trudging along in mediocrity with Flacco for 6 years after their Super Bowl win. Yes, I know you feel the same way about Mayfield, but trading assets to get a QB instead of helping Mayfield win is counterproductive.

[CannonFire]

Heard an interview with Penix last night, then watched some videos. I like this young man. If he falls, I know we're not taking him at #26 (stupid not to do so, but that's the grave we've dug for ourselves), but if he gets to #32, we should trade up to get that 5th year opportunity. In 2018, the Ravens gave up picks 52, 125, & 2019 2nd rd pick to get Lamar Jackson (& pick #132). We have picks 57 & 125. If we can get the same deal... 57, 125, and 2025 2nd rounder for #32, we should do it. We use #26 on... whomever, and we'd still have picks 89, 92 & coincidentally pick #131, to draft other needs.

To note, the Ravens finished the prior year 9-7. It's not like the Eagles should have expected the Ravens 2nd round pick the following year to be very high, like in the top 7 to 10.

They’d also been trudging along in mediocrity with Flacco for 6 years after their Super Bowl win. Yes, I know you feel the same way about Mayfield, but trading assets to get a QB instead of helping Mayfield win is counterproductive.

As I said to @mdb1958, this had nothing to do with their QB situation or who they took (the Ravens), it's about where they were picking in the draft and the state of the team. They were a 9-win team (drafted a player), and then traded back into the first to #32 for the picks I stated to show a reference of cost. Nothing more.

As it pertains to Mayfield, if the Bucs think that Mayfield is the future, then who we pick with any of these picks is irrelevant.

[Grahamburn]

They’d also been trudging along in mediocrity with Flacco for 6 years after their Super Bowl win. Yes, I know you feel the same way about Mayfield, but trading assets to get a QB instead of helping Mayfield win is counterproductive.

As I said to @mdb1958, this had nothing to do with their QB situation or who they took (the Ravens), it's about where they were picking in the draft and the state of the team. They were a 9-win team (drafted a player), and then traded back into the first to #32 for the picks I stated to show a reference of cost. Nothing more.

As it pertains to Mayfield, if the Bucs think that Mayfield is the future, then who we pick with any of these picks is irrelevant.

If they trade back up into the first round to take a QB they don’t think Mayfield is the future.

[Bootz]

As I said to @mdb1958, this had nothing to do with their QB situation or who they took (the Ravens), it's about where they were picking in the draft and the state of the team. They were a 9-win team (drafted a player), and then traded back into the first to #32 for the picks I stated to show a reference of cost. Nothing more.

As it pertains to Mayfield, if the Bucs think that Mayfield is the future, then who we pick with any of these picks is irrelevant.

If they trade back up into the first round to take a QB they don’t think Mayfield is the future.

The contract they signed Baker to says they don't think he's the QB of the future.

[Buc2]

If they trade back up into the first round to take a QB they don’t think Mayfield is the future.

The contract they signed Baker to says they don't think he's the QB of the future.

Can’t be any more clear than that.

[Grahamburn]

If they trade back up into the first round to take a QB they don’t think Mayfield is the future.

The contract they signed Baker to says they don't think he's the QB of the future.

That's fair.