Late Night with Liam Coen!

[Bootz]

49ers>Lions>Packers>Buccaneers

Why would the Packers be in front of the Bucs when A. The Bucs beat the Packers Head to head and B. The Bucs won their division and were a higher seed.....

Make it make sense.

[real bucs fan]

49ers>Lions>Packers>Buccaneers

We beat the packers in GB week 15.

[Doctor]

[Phantom]

49ers>Lions>Packers>Buccaneers

We beat the packers in GB week 15.

Ok? The Packers beat the Cowboys in the playoffs. Do you honestly believe that the Bucs gonna beat the Cowboys? No

[Grahamburn]

We beat the packers in GB week 15.

Ok? The Packers beat the Cowboys in the playoffs. Do you honestly believe that the Bucs gonna beat the Cowboys? No

Your Mom could beat the Cowboys in the playoffs.

[real bucs fan]

We beat the packers in GB week 15.

Ok? The Packers beat the Cowboys in the playoffs. Do you honestly believe that the Bucs gonna beat the Cowboys? No

The Cowboys shit the bed against the Pack. They just didn’t show up. That game was more about the Cowboys shitting the bed than the Pack actually being good.

[Deja Entendu]

Finally got around to watching the presser, bc I’ve been traveling.

Man, this guy presents extremely well, and his energy is palpable. I hope that carries over on game day.

Excited to see what pieces we bring back and add this off-season.

[Jonny]

49ers>Lions>Packers>Buccaneers

Why would the Packers be in front of the Bucs when A. The Bucs beat the Packers Head to head and B. The Bucs won their division and were a higher seed.....

Make it make sense.

This is grade school level analysis.

You and @real bucs fan are being utter homers with this logic. The Raiders beat the Chiefs this year. The Panthers beat Texans who beat us and we beat the Panthers twice. The Packers beat the Chiefs. The Packers looked like the better team in SF.

Bucs could be a better team than the Packers, I believe they are in the same tier in the NFC. We had the same record, they have a younger, more talented roster yet to realize it's full potential. We have proven SB winning vets who are still in their prime. I believe they have the better QB and HC and may have likely upgraded at DC. I don't think it is egregious to say Packers would be better than Bucs in 24.

[Bootz]

Why would the Packers be in front of the Bucs when A. The Bucs beat the Packers Head to head and B. The Bucs won their division and were a higher seed.....

Make it make sense.

This is grade school level analysis.

You and @real bucs fan are being utter homers with this logic. The Raiders beat the Chiefs this year. The Panthers beat Texans who beat us and we beat the Panthers twice. The Packers beat the Chiefs. The Packers looked like the better team in SF.

Bucs could be a better team than the Packers, I believe they are in the same tier in the NFC. We had the same record, they have a younger, more talented roster yet to realize it's full potential. We have proven SB winning vets who are still in their prime. I believe they have the better QB and HC and may have likely upgraded at DC. I don't think it is egregious to say Packers would be better than Bucs in 24.

We're not talking about "would be". We're talking about the 2023 season.

[Phantom]

Someone mentioned Bowers from the draft thread in Coen's offense. Do we have a chance to move up for him? Probably not.

[kaimaru]

Someone mentioned Bowers from the draft thread in Coen's offense. Do we have a chance to move up for him? Probably not.

Not unless we want to lose 3 1s for him and nothing short of a QB is worth 3 1s

[Grahamburn]

I do remember O.J Howard being regarded and mocked rather highly. Top 10.

Bowers could fall. Lot of QBs, WRs, OTs, and defensive prospects littered in there.

If he dipped into the 20s it would enter my mind.

[Bootz]

I do remember O.J Howard being regarded and mocked rather highly. Top 10.

Bowers could fall. Lot of QBs, WRs, OTs, and defensive prospects littered in there.

If he dipped into the 20s it would enter my mind.

If Bowers' tape is anything like Howard's no thanks. OJ fell because teams put the tape on and saw what kind of player he really was. Every team except the Bucs of course.

[Phantom]

Bowers is not OJ Howard. Bowers is a once in lifetime generation.

[Grahamburn]

Bowers is not OJ Howard. Bowers is a once in lifetime generation.

Same things were said about Howard and Pitts. That's the only point I'm making.

[Grahamburn]

I do remember O.J Howard being regarded and mocked rather highly. Top 10.

Bowers could fall. Lot of QBs, WRs, OTs, and defensive prospects littered in there.

If he dipped into the 20s it would enter my mind.

If Bowers' tape is anything like Howard's no thanks. OJ fell because teams put the tape on and saw what kind of player he really was. Every team except the Bucs of course.

Bowers definitely has the production to back up the hype.

[Doctor]

Bowers is not OJ Howard. Bowers is a once in lifetime generation.

I hear he's more one era in a million.

[Bootz]

So I put on Brock Bowers highlights.

1st 3 minutes, I don't see OJ Howard at all. Howard sucked as a football player but he was a specimen of an athlete. Bowers isn't small but he's smaller than Howard from the looks of it and doesn't look as fast.

But I do like his elusiveness and his hands. Makes tough catches and fights for the ball. Kind of reminds me of a rich man's Eric Ebron.

I'd be happy with the pick.

[Phantom]

[kaimaru]

Bowers is not OJ Howard. Bowers is a once in lifetime generation.

A generation that currently has Kittle and Kelce?

[Phantom]

Gronk

[Doctor]

To be fair. Their generation is ending.

The Bowers, LaPorta one is beginning.

[Doctor]

Gas him up!

Y'all know I love Licht right? The shift in the franchise since his arrival was an earthquake and the turning point was my boy Bruce Arians. Love Arians. He shaped the Buc culture into what it is today. And while people who cried that his "archaic offense won't work in the NFL anymore" were dead wrong, they were not wrong in the fact that it indeed was archaic. It still worked. We lit up the league. But, like Bruce, it was old school. The core of his offense wasn't clever designs or schemes or even play calls. It was pure grit, determination, and hard work. Essentially what Bruce did was figured out all the major punch-counter punch combos a QB/WR are likely to see and had you run through them over and over and over again. Until WRs were working on instinct and your QB was in sync. His theory was that the majority of the play during a game averages out, especially when you get to the playoffs and it's best on best. It's those few big plays, those biscuits, that make the difference. More biscuits, more difference. So the offense was about maintaining an even keel while hitting as many counterpunches as you can until that real opening presents itself and you get your biscuits.

And while it worked, both on the score board and in the trophy case, it wasn't without it's drawbacks. The first, it's simply exhausting. It ran on so much repetition that burn out was always just around the corner. But oh boy was that perfect for the hardest working QB of all time. Two, it was all or nothing. If you didn't get the biscuits there was nothing else to fall back on. Which brings us to three, the run game. An elementary, vanilla run game. Kudos to Licht, for stacking the line with talent. Honestly, it goes back even further than him really. Since pretty much the Penn Dotson days we have been pretty okay to great at OL. At least compared to what we were. Anyway, that talent would go a long way to help out offense that wasn't scheming them any favors.

Enter Canales. Now don't get me wrong, loved Canales. He is everything the new Buc culture is all about. Smart, hard worker, got all the intangibles. What he didn't have is a particularly wide coaching net. And all his experienced leaned heavily to the passing side of the offense. So when presented with not only an vouched for OL coach, but also a 2-time Super Bowl champion run game coordinator, I don't blame him for jumping on it. Disappointed? Sure. But understandable. Does Canales even know what he wants out of his run game? Would he even be able to pick a good OL coach or run game coordinator if he had to look externally? I don't know.

But Liam does.

Liam knows exactly what he wants to see and went and got his former LAR staffmate Kevin Carberry. Liam has as a vision and expectation for his run game that is very different from Goodwin and Gilbert and I'm here for it.

While Kevin will likely have the biggest impact, Grizzard is probably my favorite hire that Liam made. Huge fan of what McDaniel is doing down there in Miami and so happy to poach their WR/quality control coach. This tells me Liam loves watching football and borrowing new ideas (that and his interviews saying as much). But I do love that he too recognizes the brilliant stuff McDaniel is doing, particularly in regards to snap motion. We motioned 42% of the time last year but only 12% was snap motion (think that little wheel run Tyreek would do pre-snap).
You know who was #2 in the league in motion last year? McVay with 70% (44% snap).
You know who was #1? McDaniel with 82% (68% snap).

Yeah, we're going to be a HELL of a motion team, you can bet your bottom dollar that. Picturing Palmer on that little route. Lets go.