Antoine Winfield Jr
Antoine Winfield Jr
110 tackles, 5.0 sacks, 5 TFLs, 3 INTs, 12 PBUs, 6 Forced Fumbles and 4 Fumble Recoveries
91.7 PFF grade
91.7 PFF grade
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Good times
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DPOY??
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On a more popular team he would get discussions, but not on the Brady-less Bucs
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Not with someone having 5 TD’s on defense.Primeminister wrote: ↑Mon Dec 25, 2023 9:34 amOn a more popular team he would get discussions, but not on the Brady-less Bucs
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Winfield was/is the perfect example of when you look at most prospects (especially Safeties, ILBs, NCBs), you should be looking first and foremost at:
* Cognitive loop/processing/instincts. Is he always in position, around the ball, assignment-sound, and 2 steps ahead of where a faster-but-less-mentally-capable football player is?
* Physicality, grit, motor.
* Body control/proprioception at top-end play speed (even if that play speed shows as slower than another prospect in underwear).
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This is why the Winfields and LVDs of the world are comparatively locks. And they aren’t that terribly difficult to identify.
* Cognitive loop/processing/instincts. Is he always in position, around the ball, assignment-sound, and 2 steps ahead of where a faster-but-less-mentally-capable football player is?
* Physicality, grit, motor.
* Body control/proprioception at top-end play speed (even if that play speed shows as slower than another prospect in underwear).
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This is why the Winfields and LVDs of the world are comparatively locks. And they aren’t that terribly difficult to identify.
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Also what happens when you flat out draft BPA. What a smash pick for the right coach too.
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He’s been a stud since day one and keeps getting better. We better keep him around, he’ll be in the ring of honor one day.
Question: are the 5 TFL’s in his stats all five of his sacks? Or is it tracked differently and he also has five run stops for negative gain?
Question: are the 5 TFL’s in his stats all five of his sacks? Or is it tracked differently and he also has five run stops for negative gain?
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One bolt in the armor.
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Is a sack considered a TFL?
No. A sack does not count as a tackle for loss in professional American football. According to the NFL rule book, a sack and a tackle for loss are two different statistics.
https://www.sportskeeda.com/nfl/does-sa ... down-stats
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What’s his contract going to look like?
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100 over 5, 65 guaranteed
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Hey Antoine I know it's a big game and all but look at this they're saying you should get a 100 mil contract all guaranteed............
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Yes the fans start the distraction - way to go.
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Any concern over that injury/concussion history? This is the first season he has been fully healthy.
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ESPN and Pro Football Reference count sacks as tackles for loss.
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I don't have any. He's earned every penny he gets and he has done it battling through injuries just like everyone else. I would argue he is our best safety since Lynch. If not; our most consistentGrahamburn wrote: ↑Mon Dec 25, 2023 12:57 pm Any concern over that injury/concussion history? This is the first season he has been fully healthy.
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He has been incredible. He’s everything Derwin James or Jamal Adams were supposed to be. Just worry that he gets this huge deal and ends up like, well, them.These Are The Days wrote: ↑Mon Dec 25, 2023 7:55 pmI don't have any. He's earned every penny he gets and he has done it battling through injuries just like everyone else. I would argue he is our best safety since Lynch. If not; our most consistentGrahamburn wrote: ↑Mon Dec 25, 2023 12:57 pm Any concern over that injury/concussion history? This is the first season he has been fully healthy.
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I'm right there with you. I worry about the "paid and fade" effect on literally every player in Tampa sports. But I will say I would be genuinely surprised if that happened to Winfield. And I don't mean like he sucks half a season. That's almost everyone. I mean he just flat out sucks the next 3 years and doesn't try anymoreGrahamburn wrote: ↑Mon Dec 25, 2023 7:58 pmHe has been incredible. He’s everything Derwin James or Jamal Adams were supposed to be. Just worry that he gets this huge deal and ends up like, well, them.These Are The Days wrote: ↑Mon Dec 25, 2023 7:55 pm
I don't have any. He's earned every penny he gets and he has done it battling through injuries just like everyone else. I would argue he is our best safety since Lynch. If not; our most consistent
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Hope we can resign him
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Not worried about effort. Just his frame and history.These Are The Days wrote: ↑Mon Dec 25, 2023 8:33 pmI'm right there with you. I worry about the "paid and fade" effect on literally every player in Tampa sports. But I will say I would be genuinely surprised if that happened to Winfield. And I don't mean like he sucks half a season. That's almost everyone. I mean he just flat out sucks the next 3 years and doesn't try anymoreGrahamburn wrote: ↑Mon Dec 25, 2023 7:58 pm
He has been incredible. He’s everything Derwin James or Jamal Adams were supposed to be. Just worry that he gets this huge deal and ends up like, well, them.
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@Snake Would you now consider him Earl Thomas kind of player?
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Then do you think that they are in the same league of special corners?
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stud i hope we give him lots of moneys
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They’re not corners. They’re safeties and very different ones at that.
Earl Thomas had 2 career sacks and 13 career TFL. In like 10 years.
Twon has 17 TFL in less than 4 complete seasons. And 14 sacks.
I’m not trying to be obtuse, really. But they’re so different in their skill sets and usage.
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Which defensive player has legit played better than AWJ?
He should be a serious contender for DPOY.
He should be a serious contender for DPOY.
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Myles Garrett. TJ Watt. Khalil Mack. Roquan Smith. Nick Bosa. Deron Bland. Danielle Hunter. Kyle Hamilton. There are a ton of guys who have played at an elite level this year and deserve consideration.BucsNBills wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:01 am Which defensive player has legit played better than AWJ?
He should be a serious contender for DPOY.
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I'd say it has to be Myles Garrett at this point. He has almost single handedly saved the Browns season after they lost Chubb and Watson. He should get votes for MVP honestly.
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You think they've all played better than AWJ???Bootz wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:31 amMyles Garrett. TJ Watt. Khalil Mack. Roquan Smith. Nick Bosa. Deron Bland. Danielle Hunter. Kyle Hamilton. There are a ton of guys who have played at an elite level this year and deserve consideration.BucsNBills wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:01 am Which defensive player has legit played better than AWJ?
He should be a serious contender for DPOY.
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Possibly. I'd say Garrett has had the biggest impact of any defensive player in football this year by far.
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