Something like 30,000 men have suited up for NFL games.
I think being the all-time greatest in a sport that is already composed of the 0.000001 in what they do…probably merits a disproportionate amount of praise.
Something like 30,000 men have suited up for NFL games.
Now that we have hindsight and the story has been told, I think we have more clarity about the Tom Brady system quarterback thing.
Ya know, this comment made me think about how we expected so much out of Brady last year and we sucked. I think we had the exact same issues last year as this year, they are just more glaring now because we don’t have Brady.
That and we also had Leftwich as OC. Say what you want about Canales but he is still an upgrade over Lefty. It was that low of a barBabeinbucland wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 6:57 pmYa know, this comment made me think about how we expected so much out of Brady last year and we sucked. I think we had the exact same issues last year as this year, they are just more glaring now because we don’t have Brady.
Nicely put.Snake wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 6:52 pmNow that we have hindsight and the story has been told, I think we have more clarity about the Tom Brady system quarterback thing.
It is impossible to know if Tom Brady becomes TB12 if any other team drafts him. We know he was infinitely coachable and had innate drive. He bought into the Belichick approach. The obsessive attention to detail, the constant refinement, the method of study, dedication to practicing perfectly. Clearly, there was a symbiotic relationship between his disposition and the program.
He tapped into his potential. He became a freakishly good thrower of the football. I don’t like when people say, “Tom Brady lacked talent.” The mental talent is clear. the dude can throw a fucking football really fast and with surgical precision and with extreme repeatability. I can’t take somebody “without” talent and make them that talented at throwing the football.
At some point during his patriots tenure, he put it all together. The studiousness, the refined throwing ability, the crafted leadership approach. To the point where it was potable. The structure of the program that played into his development, “the system,” he took it with him.
I don’t know when that was. Maybe it was in 2007. Maybe it is when he was carrying those not so great Patriots teams post-Rams Super Bowl.
All that to say, I don’t think it’s fair to call him a system quarterback. I think the system helped him develop into who he became. But it takes two to tango. Leaving the system, going and winning a Super Bowl the next season and elevating a team, suggest that he no longer needed a “system” anymore. He was the system.
And that’s to say very little of the fact that the program became amplified and probably actually worked in large part because Tom himself. Symbiotic relationships work both ways.
Two facts about anyone who said that:
Canales is an improvement, but not good enough. Too often the receivers are blanketed in red zone and when our offense is pinned back near our goal line.Terry Tate wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 7:05 pmThat and we also had Leftwich as OC. Say what you want about Canales but he is still an upgrade over Lefty. It was that low of a barBabeinbucland wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 6:57 pm
Ya know, this comment made me think about how we expected so much out of Brady last year and we sucked. I think we had the exact same issues last year as this year, they are just more glaring now because we don’t have Brady.
You forgot that Bowles defense scheme is also about holes for the runners and big 3rd down plays to sustain drives. Bowles aims to keep his offense off the field.
Exactly. The other hard thing about QB is that unlike every other position they either get 100% of the playing time or 0% of the playing time. That is precious little to grow from. A developing linebacker can get a play here or there with the starters and against the starters. The QB has to wait for the other guy to get injured. If they get in when it is a blowout other starters are also not playing.Doctor wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 1:00 pm I think Trask still has time.
Here's the thing, everyone looks at QB like it's just any other position and you just need to identify the good ones and get one. But it doesn't really work like that.
Okay sure, sometimes it does. We have seen in recent years if you have the rest of your team built out and the prize QB likes you it can happen. But normally it's more like setting up as many good bets as you can.
Idealist will hate it. They want you to just pluck your answer at QB out of the draft and be done. Situations like RG3 and Cousins taken by Washington in the same draft or the Brees Rivers crossover seasons or having $100M Bledsoe and Brady boils their blood. It's inefficient. It's imperfect. But finding the answer at QB often is.
If Baker doesn't flat out show out the remainder of the season enough to make the staff want to hitch their careers to him instead of a rookie from this class, he likely walks. Which is fine. It was always low risk high reward long shot.
The rookie will likely compete with Trask. With a year in the system not uncommon to give the vet the nod. Maybe he does well enough to Rivers our rookie for awhile. Wouldn't that be something?
This is why I'm dubious about the Glazers moving on. $70mil in dead cap space is nothing to sneeze at. Those are real resources that are not available to utilize.
I think we can agree that it doesn't make much sense to approach this draft without adding a franchise QB as the ultimate goal.
Of winning the division? Didn't know you needed one.
QB is the one exception a make to my BPA rule because they just don't play by the same rules as others.Grahamburn wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:00 pmI think we can agree that it doesn't make much sense to approach this draft without adding a franchise QB as the ultimate goal.
If Jason Licht and Todd Bowles aren't on the hot seat after this season they certainly will be heading into next season. Are we letting this regime draft another Face of the Franchise quarterback? They've whiffed twice. Will they even be motivated to do so knowing that player may/may not be able to help the 2024 team win?
A Licht/Bowles/Canales combination heading into next year means we're probably going into the 2024 season with Baker Mayfield and Trask again. Not exactly ideal.
I didn't hate the idea after week 4, but god dammit if I don't hate it now.
More speculation
I don't think arm has ever been Baker's issue. As a matter of fact, the juice in his throws combined with his ability to throw off platform has been the the most impressive for a Bucs QB in my lifetime as a Bucs fan. Freeman and Winston had throw distance aspect covered, but due to poor/inconsistent mechanics or slow release their throws rarely looked pretty, adaptable and fluid the way Baker's do.
That's not because he lacks arm strength. It's because he can't consistently stack wins to stay on the field, particularly on third down (where we have struggled all year).