2023 -2024 tankathon

[acmillis]

Maybe if we’d won more games and picked a little later we could have had TJ Watt at #30 instead of OJ Howard at #19.

OR, been brilliant like the Chiefs were and identified Patrick Mahomes as having “it” and being undervalued. Could have simply traded up 9 spots to get him at #10. As it were 9 teams that lost a whole bunch of games passed on him.

...but we had a great qb in Winston, he just needed moar thyme.

[Grahamburn]

Maybe if we’d won more games and picked a little later we could have had TJ Watt at #30 instead of OJ Howard at #19.

OR, been brilliant like the Chiefs were and identified Patrick Mahomes as having “it” and being undervalued. Could have simply traded up 9 spots to get him at #10. As it were 9 teams that lost a whole bunch of games passed on him.

...but we had a great qb in Winston, he just needed moar thyme.

Correct. And like @Snake said he wants more draft capital to take "the best player available," but teams rarely ever truly do that because it's incredibly difficult to build a roster that way.

[Doctor]

The best player available.

So, nobody specific? I think you’re kind of a draftnik, right? I like to look at old drafts to see all of the early busts and the Coulda/woulda/shouldas of the draft.

It kind of makes you realize how arbitrary draft position really is. It’s more about the “who” than the “where.”

The 2017 draft is my favorite recent example. Loaded with hall of famers, all pros, and busts up and down each level of the first round.

That's the beauty of the dogma, you don't even have to name a guy. Because in the (statistically likely) scenario he isn't the guy you just say "well you just drafted the WRONG guy is all!"... And even in draft classes where no one was any good... then you should've kept passing until the right class came around and then tanked on THAT year, duh.



Also someone may have to check the score between the kids that everyone doubts and passes on (Arod, Lamar, Allen) vs the "elite saviors" at the top.

[Snake]

Their job is to draft the right guy. Is it not?

[Buc2]

Their job is to draft the right guy. Is it not?

Yep. Be it based on the best available (their opinion) or need, that is definitely their job.

[kaimaru]

Curious, how do some of you feel about what the Jets, Vikings, Cardinals, Bears and such are doing?
You know, trying to win instead of shutting everyone and everything down.

The Jets are hoping to get Aaron Rodgers back in time for a playoff push.

The Cardinals have their franchise qb and are trying to get into the playoffs.

Bears probably have their qb and are trying to figure out how to win...they also have a ton of picks already and will most likely have the #1 pick from the panthers.

The Vikings are the only case to be made. But before the Cousins injury, he was playing out of his mind.

If you think Fields is their franchise QB, then IDK what to say

[Doctor]

Their job is to draft the right guy. Is it not?

Who was the right QB to draft in 2015?

[Snake]

Their job is to draft the right guy. Is it not?

Who was the right QB to draft in 2015?

No one is forced to draft a quarterback

[Doctor]

But its their job!

[Snake]

But its their job!

To draft the best player? Yes it is.

Tom Brady is not coming through that door again. It’s time to hand the team over to somebody who can draft well and isnt looking at their sixth coaching hire.

[Obsolete]

The Jets are hoping to get Aaron Rodgers back in time for a playoff push.

The Cardinals have their franchise qb and are trying to get into the playoffs.

Bears probably have their qb and are trying to figure out how to win...they also have a ton of picks already and will most likely have the #1 pick from the panthers.

The Vikings are the only case to be made. But before the Cousins injury, he was playing out of his mind.

If you think Fields is their franchise QB, then IDK what to say

I didnt say that i thought he was. However until they say otherwise, im going to assume they think he is.

[Doctor]

But its their job!

To draft the best player? Yes it is.

Tom Brady is not coming through that door again. It’s time to hand the team over to somebody who can draft well and isnt looking at their sixth coaching hire.

Just curious, what is your hit rate for "someone who can draft"?
#AllHallofFameFirst

[Snake]

See:

[Grahamburn]

Every single one of those teams ahead of us should draft a QB.

[Doctor]

They all recently have.

[GreatTimes]

Every single one of those teams ahead of us should draft a QB.

With the draft standings the Bears could draft 2 QB's. Maybe trade Fields away for a third QB. Won't do them any good with the upper management the Bears have.

[kaimaru]

Every single one of those teams ahead of us should draft a QB.

The Bears are appearantly still all in on Fields (He needs more time!). The Cardinals are not moving away from Murray. NE probably will have new management and they will draft a QB. If BB stays, well...He will not draft a QB in the first round. The Giants are stuck with Danny Dimes. Tennessee just drafted their QB. Washington will have a new regime, most likely will draft a QB. Atlanta just drafted Riddler. All this is moot as we will win at least 3 more games and be way out of the hunt

[Grahamburn]

Every single one of those teams ahead of us should draft a QB.

The Bears are appearantly still all in on Fields (He needs more time!). The Cardinals are not moving away from Murray. NE probably will have new management and they will draft a QB. If BB stays, well...He will not draft a QB in the first round. The Giants are stuck with Danny Dimes. Tennessee just drafted their QB. Washington will have a new regime, most likely will draft a QB. Atlanta just drafted Riddler. All this is moot as we will win at least 3 more games and be way out of the hunt

Should.

[Bootz]

Arizona & NY have QBs on large contracts with a ton of guaranteed money left. The numbers aren’t great but Kyler Murray has made the Cardinals a lot more competitive with his return.

That said, @Grahamburn you brought up an excellent point in the Bowles thread: It’s not all about the QB. A lot of these teams ahead of us have far reaching issues that extend past the QB. Carolina just drafted a guy #1 overall and they aren’t supporting him. Tennessee has their guy and similarly the team isn’t good enough to support him. Same thing in New England, that roster sucks. Same thing in Chicago. Washington I have no idea how they feel about Howell. I don’t think he’s all that talented but he’s not the problem. Atlanta is the one team that might be held back by QB play. They have a better overall team than most others on that list but Ridder clearly is not the guy.

[Grahamburn]

It’s just so obvious that those guys aren’t and will never be THE guy. That’s what happens though. The investment in money and/or picks just hinders any ability to surround that player with impact talent.

We’re stuck too though. I doubt Baker signs for a few mil again. We have multiple guys who may need to get the tag. But, I’d say that’s an option.

[Doctor]

If we're resigning Baker then things have gone pretty well.

[GreatTimes]

If we're resigning Baker then things have gone pretty well.

Surely you jest!

[Grahamburn]

If we're resigning Baker then things have gone pretty well.

I’d have no problem with a 3 year extension for Bake and a QB prospect in round 2.

[Grahamburn]

That being said I’m done with Bowles and I doubt any other incoming HC is going to want Baker over a hand picked QB. Unless it’s Canales.

[Snake]

LFG

[kaimaru]

One more loss and we are top 5

[Grahamburn]

Carolina on tap. How bad do you want it, boys?!

[Grahamburn]

Also still only one game out of first place. Lol.

[Snake]

Four teams “in front” of Bucs are down bad for a QB.

[Backside]

Carolina on tap. How bad do you want it, boys?!

Carolina is due!

[Doctor]

Hey listen, if they want to let Marvin Harrison Jr fall to us I'm not complaining. Gladly take a QB in round 2.

[Grahamburn]

Hey listen, if they want to let Marvin Harrison Jr fall to us I'm not complaining. Gladly take a QB in round 2.

We can agree on this.

[Snake]

With the bears win tonight, they join the now 7 team long list of teams with 4 wins.

Their draft position remains unchanged. As their SOS is the weakest of the 7 teams.

[Buc2]

With the bears win tonight, they join the now 7 team long list of teams with 4 wins.

Their draft position remains unchanged. As their SOS is the weakest of the 7 teams.

[Snake]

Bucs could move up one slot today with a quality LOSS.