2023: The Hopium Antidote

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Would rather the Buccaneers go...

Poll ended at Thu Aug 31, 2023 10:52 am

3-14: Fire Bowles and Licht. Have a shot at an elite QB prospect and a full rebuild.
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57%
6-10: Treadmill Hell. Unclear who is kept after the season.
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14%
8-9: Miss playoffs. Keep Bowles and Licht. Re-sign Baker Mayfield.
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29%
 
Total votes: 7

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2023: The Hopium Antidote

Post by Snake »

No one on the planet, even @Doctor, expects the Buccaneers to go 13-4 and a deep playoff run.

The Vegas bookmakers - the closest thing we have to an all-seeing eye - has the Buccaneers' win total around 6, and has the Bucs +8000 to win the Super Bowl. Vegas only has Houston and Arizona below Tampa.

Logical people have been tempering expectations for a while now. Teams allocating 32% of their total salary cap towards dead money start their season firmly behind the 8-ball. 66% of the Buccaneers top 53 highest paid players are currently making $1.5m or less.

Additionally: teams lead by Baker Mayfield are 31-38 in his career, and 2-8 in the last 12 months. Todd Bowles has a career record of 34-50, including an 8-9 season with Tom Brady.

Optimists have assumed the position that "great defense, ball control via improved run game and schemed up easy throws" presents the Buccaneers' best chance at success in 2023-2024.

Last season, the top 5 teams in the NFL in rushing yards (and perhaps not coincidentally first downs) were Chicago (3-14), Baltimore (10-7), Atlanta (7-10), NYG (9-7), and Philly (14-3). Four of the five were also top 5 in yards per rushing attempt.

2 of those 5 teams have quarterbacks with elite running ability and production (Chicago, Baltimore), one is borderline elite (Philly), one is really good (NYG), and one wasn't too shabby (ATL- Mariota).

The point being, to be an elite rushing team these days, your QB needs to be a threat with the ball. Baker has never rushed for more than 165 yards in an NFL season. Kyle Trask rushed for 54 yards in 27 college starts (0.4 yards per carry).

I know what you're thinking, "SNAKE, we don't have to be elite at rushing the ball. We just need to be *good* at it."

Fair play. During Bowles' five full seasons as a head coach, his teams ranked the following in rushing attempts, rushing yards, yards per attempt.
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So, never elite at running the ball. Was *good* at running the ball once. and middling to outright terrible the last three seasons at a HC.

and in terms of Bowles's defenses as a head coach, he ranked the following in points allowed during his five seasons:
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Here's where his defenses rank in points allowed when he is a defensive coordinator
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Has there ever been a more clear example of the peter principle in action?

The one season everything *clicked* for a Bowles team was 2015. The Jets went 10-6. Defense finished 9th in points allowed. 10th in rushing yards. Ryan Fitzpatrick had one of his random good seasons. The Jets strength of schedule was like 27th. The team was very good at forcing turnovers on defense, and average at preventing turnovers on offense. Also, very few penalties.

Bowles best season as a HC was 10-6. With strong ball control, low penalties, good defense, and only 5% dead salary cap. This was in an environment of weak strength of schedule.

How will Bowles fare with a third of his cap dead, both potential QBs with lower ceilings than Fitzpatrick, a new offensive scheme (new OC) and a harder strength of schedule?

Starting to seem like Vegas knows what they're talking about.
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Your poll should have included "Bucs start the season 0-6, Bowles gets the can, Baker is benched, and a Trask led team wins 50% of its games for the rest of the season.
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Im on the Baker train but that's mostly because I want to see good football and a competitive team this year.

But deep down, I want this team to draft #1 with their choice of Williams or Maye.
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Post by real bucs fan »

This will probably end in a dumpster fire as most non Brady/Gruden Bucs seasons have, but I actually have a hope for a good year. And by good year, I mean a year better than last year. I certainly have more faith in Baker, Canales, and the young weapons than most Bucs fans it seems. To me the questions will be the same as last years, can the OL stay healthy and play well? Can we get a pass rush?

If the OL and pass rush performs we will certainly be better than we were last season. If not I think we will be about the same. I’m thinking 8-10 wins.
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Post by Max »

Jason Licht's job is not tied to Todd Bowles. No GM is going to be fired 3 years removed from a Super Bowl win.

We're going to end up with a top-5 pick. Bowles will be fired. Licht will stay.
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Baker and Bucs to shock the world..

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Best case scenario:
Trask comes in and destroys

Next best case scenario:
Trask stinks, baker stinks, we get Caleb


Worst case:
Baker/Trask starts and stinks, Baker/Trask comes in and does OK, we get 5-8 wins
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Bowles is a great DC and a SHIT head coach.
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Let's roll another joint
And let's head on down the road
There's somewhere I got to go..."
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MJW wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 5:22 pm Bowles is a great DC and a SHIT head coach.
Would you take him back as DC? I would but he'll probably want to move on. Maybe he likes it enough down here to stay.
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I refuse to vote because I'm not giving up hope yet. I'll wait for game 1, thank you very much. Until then I remain on the it-can-happen-dammit train, and I'll crash with it then.
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Post by Pelagic_and_Pewter »

Xandtar wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 7:48 pm I refuse to vote because I'm not giving up hope yet. I'll wait for game 1, thank you very much. Until then I remain on the it-can-happen-dammit train, and I'll crash with it then.
Don't blame you.

Trying to remain optimistic. But, between the 3 choices, I ultimately went with the one that ends with us nuking the whole thing.

Until then, please save me a seat on the "It Can Happen Damnit Train".
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You got it! :D
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Misleading title. There was very little in there at all about 2023.
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Rushing attack under a Bowles led team

2015

Attempts: 10
Yards: 10
YPA: 14

2016

Attempts: 13
Yards: 12
YPA: 14

2017

Attempts: 17
Yards: 19
YPA: 20

2018

Attempts: 16
Yards: 26
YPA: 29

2022

Attempts: 32
Yards: 32
YPA: 32

2023 - won’t use raw totals yet because bye weeks etc

YPA: 32
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But didn't people say he made us run too much?
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