Week 4 Discussion

[Bootz]

Wait, are we allowed to be hyped for the Lions and their recycled QB? They can't win without taking right?

They aren't winning because of him. That much has been very evident. The 1 game this season in which they got more from Goff they lost in OT.

Thats not how the Lions will win games. Goff needs to be a manager.

[mdb1958]

Our mistake on offense is not getting Palmer and Jarrett successful targets. They also should be used some as potential dump offs so White can get farther downfield for passes.

Wait, why?! WRs should play more underneath so we can get an average receiving back more looks downfield??

Accomplish what they are prepared for - Accomplish what they are not prepared for.

[Grahamburn]

Wait, are we allowed to be hyped for the Lions and their recycled QB? They can't win without taking right?

He’s going to let them down when they need him most.

The difference between great quarterbacks, and everyone else, is that great quarterbacks elevate those around them. They don’t need everything to be perfect for them to consistently succeed. Unlike Jared Goff.

So, sure. They can “win.” But they aren’t winning anything of significance because of him.

Who are the great quarterbacks then? Mahomes and? Even with his greatness his situation is also ideal.

You look at the teams that are winning consistently and they all have several things in common. They have great coaches. They’ve built great culture. Winning culture. You get those things then do your best to build the talent. Having a “great” QB doesn’t matter if you don’t have those things. Did Tua create Miami’s success or was it Mike McDaniel? Put Tua in Chicago and shake the magic 8-ball..

Ask Matthew Stafford’s Lions or Trevor Lawrence’s Jaguars. Plenty of great QBs fail because the situation is atrocious.

Goff May fail, but I see a different player in Detroit because they’ve changed their culture. I’m rooting for them.

[Doctor]

Everyone wants great QBs because everyone loves winning flashy shootouts. But there are many ways to win in this league.

You grind out long drives, get one good stop in between, you can make an entire quarter of football vanish. I understand loving super QBs, they are fun, I want one too. But despite the propaganda you don't need to fight fire with fire to win on Sunday.

[acmillis]

You win in this league by having an elite qb and/or an elite defense. That ain’t us.
IMO, going forward, you’re more likely to win a 34-30 game than a 17-14 game the way the rules are setup. Give me a qb prospect over a DL prospect all day.

[Bootz]

Aaron Donald has more SB appearances than Aaron Rodgers

[Bootz]

Wait, are we allowed to be hyped for the Lions and their recycled QB? They can't win without taking right?

The difference between great quarterbacks, and everyone else, is that great quarterbacks elevate those around them. They don’t need everything to be perfect for them to consistently succeed. Unlike Jared Goff.

So, sure. They can “win.” But they aren’t winning anything of significance because of him.

No one likes to hear this but the same is true for Justin Herbert.

[Doctor]

Who cares if it's because of him or not. The QB doesn't have to be the hero of the SB storyline.

[Bootz]

Who cares if it's because of him or not. The QB doesn't have to be the hero of the SB storyline.

While this might be true, that's not what the NFL wants to believe or wants you to believe. They want the QB to be the hero, the face of the organization, the reason you win or lose.

[BJJ34]

Who cares if it's because of him or not. The QB doesn't have to be the hero of the SB storyline.

While this might be true, that's not what the NFL wants to believe or wants you to believe. They want the QB to be the hero, the face of the organization, the reason you win or lose.

I truly don’t think that’s the case though.

The NFL wants whatever sells. Right now Tom Brady, a seven time super bowl winner, just retired. The league needs someone to step up.

[Bootz]

While this might be true, that's not what the NFL wants to believe or wants you to believe. They want the QB to be the hero, the face of the organization, the reason you win or lose.

I truly don’t think that’s the case though.

The NFL wants whatever sells. Right now Tom Brady, a seven time super bowl winner, just retired. The league needs someone to step up.

Needs someone to step up? Have you been under a rock for the last 5 years? That guy has already stepped up and then some. His name is Patrick Mahomes.

[Central_Buc]

It just comes down to how lucky you are to have a QB fall in your lap or the one you draft in late rounds that turn into Franchise QBs

[Central_Buc]

Come on Jags

[Bootz]

The fact that the Falcons had a chance to get Lamar Jackson and they said "I'm good" is CRAZY. Ridder is trash.

[13F11B]

The difference between great quarterbacks, and everyone else, is that great quarterbacks elevate those around them. They don’t need everything to be perfect for them to consistently succeed. Unlike Jared Goff.

So, sure. They can “win.” But they aren’t winning anything of significance because of him.

No one likes to hear this but the same is true for Justin Herbert.

Justin Herbert is the ONLY reason the dolt the Chargers have as a coach has not been fired. From what I see his play elevates those around him. he is tough as nails and makes big-time throws. It is hard to overcome an awful coach though. Iknow. You hate Herbert. I get that. Doesn't make you right.

[Bootz]

No one likes to hear this but the same is true for Justin Herbert.

Justin Herbert is the ONLY reason the dolt the Chargers have as a coach has not been fired. From what I see his play elevates those around him. he is tough as nails and makes big-time throws. It is hard to overcome an awful coach though. Iknow. You hate Herbert. I get that. Doesn't make you right.

Who has he elevated around him?

He's literally a .500 QB. He's Jared Goff on the Rams without the winning. Things have to be perfect for him in order for the team to win games. His play historically drops off dramatically in the 2nd half of games. The numbers back that up.

When Keenan Allen was out with injuries last year his play dropped off and the excuse was "well he doesn't have his #1 receiver". He had Mike Williams, who makes $20mil/year but that apparently wasn't enough.

Hate him? Nope. He's just overrated. The statline will look pretty but when it matters most more often than not he comes up small. And once again another HC is to blame. We know how this story goes.

[acmillis]

Justin Herbert is the ONLY reason the dolt the Chargers have as a coach has not been fired. From what I see his play elevates those around him. he is tough as nails and makes big-time throws. It is hard to overcome an awful coach though. Iknow. You hate Herbert. I get that. Doesn't make you right.

Who has he elevated around him?

He's literally a .500 QB. He's Jared Goff on the Rams without the winning. Things have to be perfect for him in order for the team to win games. His play historically drops off dramatically in the 2nd half of games. The numbers back that up.

When Keenan Allen was out with injuries last year his play dropped off and the excuse was "well he doesn't have his #1 receiver". He had Mike Williams, who makes $20mil/year but that apparently wasn't enough.

Hate him? Nope. He's just overrated. The statline will look pretty but when it matters most more often than not he comes up small. And once again another HC is to blame. We know how this story goes.

Since when does a players salary equate to their level of play?
Daniel Jones is making 40m/year.
Darren wallet is the highest paid te in the league.
That part of your argument is ridiculous.

[Bootz]

Who has he elevated around him?

He's literally a .500 QB. He's Jared Goff on the Rams without the winning. Things have to be perfect for him in order for the team to win games. His play historically drops off dramatically in the 2nd half of games. The numbers back that up.

When Keenan Allen was out with injuries last year his play dropped off and the excuse was "well he doesn't have his #1 receiver". He had Mike Williams, who makes $20mil/year but that apparently wasn't enough.

Hate him? Nope. He's just overrated. The statline will look pretty but when it matters most more often than not he comes up small. And once again another HC is to blame. We know how this story goes.

Since when does a players salary equate to their level of play?
Daniel Jones is making 40m/year.
Darren wallet is the highest paid te in the league.
That part of your argument is ridiculous.

And Herbert is making $52mil+. Very good point.

[13F11B]

Justin Herbert is the ONLY reason the dolt the Chargers have as a coach has not been fired. From what I see his play elevates those around him. he is tough as nails and makes big-time throws. It is hard to overcome an awful coach though. Iknow. You hate Herbert. I get that. Doesn't make you right.

Who has he elevated around him?

The other players on his team. Should have been obvious.

He's literally a .500 QB. He's Jared Goff on the Rams without the winning. Things have to be perfect for him in order for the team to win games. His play historically drops off dramatically in the 2nd half of games. The numbers back that up.

In your opinion. It's a wrong opinion, but it is yours.

When Keenan Allen was out with injuries last year his play dropped off and the excuse was "well he doesn't have his #1 receiver". He had Mike Williams, who makes $20mil/year but that apparently wasn't enough.

In a post above you claimed the amount a player makes does not mean they are good. Here you use Mike Williams's salary as an indicator or something. Interestingly inconsistent. Also, expected for you.

Hate him? Nope. He's just overrated. The statline will look pretty but when it matters most more often than not he comes up small. And once again another HC is to blame. We know how this story goes.

Yes, you will disagree with stuff and never, ever bother to consider what others are saying. Discussing stuff with you is a waste of time. Entertaining and funny sometimes, but a waste of time.

Other people do not share your impression of Justin.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/ ... r-AA1hckZS

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/nf ... r-AA1hc4k4

[BucsNBills]

The Bills and Dolphins are playing arena football. Cosmetic defenses for both teams.

[Snake]

The Bills and Dolphins are playing arena football. Cosmetic defenses for both teams.

Agree

[Bootz]

We know Miami has a shitty defense. Buffalo is supposed to have one of the best in football.

[Phantom]

Who has he elevated around him?

The other players on his team. Should have been obvious.

He's literally a .500 QB. He's Jared Goff on the Rams without the winning. Things have to be perfect for him in order for the team to win games. His play historically drops off dramatically in the 2nd half of games. The numbers back that up.

In your opinion. It's a wrong opinion, but it is yours.

When Keenan Allen was out with injuries last year his play dropped off and the excuse was "well he doesn't have his #1 receiver". He had Mike Williams, who makes $20mil/year but that apparently wasn't enough.

In a post above you claimed the amount a player makes does not mean they are good. Here you use Mike Williams's salary as an indicator or something. Interestingly inconsistent. Also, expected for you.

Hate him? Nope. He's just overrated. The statline will look pretty but when it matters most more often than not he comes up small. And once again another HC is to blame. We know how this story goes.

Yes, you will disagree with stuff and never, ever bother to consider what others are saying. Discussing stuff with you is a waste of time. Entertaining and funny sometimes, but a waste of time.

Other people do not share your impression of Justin.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/ ... r-AA1hckZS

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/nf ... r-AA1hc4k4

That bold part, I heartily agree with your sentiments. If you see Bootz post you don’t like, just roll your eyes and scroll up. That’s what I normally do.

[13F11B]

Eagles are down to the Washington Football Team.

[Bootz]

16/17 231 yards 3 TDs.

Seems like tales of Justin Fields demise were premature.

[Bootz]

The Bengals need to force Burrow to sit. He ain't right.

9/17 77 yards. Down by 3 TDs. That contract is making decisions for them

[acmillis]

16/17 231 yards 3 TDs.

Seems like tales of Justin Fields demise were premature.

Your boy completely shut the bed and literally gave the game away hahahah

[Bootz]

16/17 231 yards 3 TDs.

Seems like tales of Justin Fields demise were premature.

Your boy completely shut the bed and literally gave the game away hahahah

Yep, too close of a game to make that mistake.

[Bootz]

Colts come back from 23-0 down to tie the Rams.

[acmillis]

Colts come back from 23-0 down to tie the Rams.

Even with (as I type) Richardson only completing 50%

[Bootz]

Colts come back from 23-0 down to tie the Rams.

Even with (as I type) Richardson only completing 50%

Says more about the Rams. That McVay magic might be over with this version of this team. They need to rebuild.

[Bootz]

Meanwhile CJ Stroud is 2-2. Bryce Young looks meh thus far

[BucsNBills]

Allen haters eating crow.

[Moozician]

Cooper who??

Fukin' Puka Nacua!

[BucsNBills]

Meanwhile CJ Stroud is 2-2. Bryce Young looks meh thus far

As it turns out, a QB with the frame of a 7th grade boy is not ideal for the NFL.