Now you're being silly.
I'm bored. You don't like my list? Make your own.
Now you're being silly.
I didn't say Tomlin was on the Hot Seat. I think he gets another year regardless. But if you're telling me he absolutely won't be in trouble with two more .500ish seasons, that I'd disagree with.
NGL, Kinsbury sort of ruined the young hot college offensive mastermind hire for me, for now.
Some names that fit this general vibe:Miller4Prez64 wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 11:47 pm If we do indeed fire Bowles, I would like a younger offensive coach with the idea of rebuilding/overhauling the offense in mind. I don’t think a college coach is the right way to go though.
Bootz wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 9:45 am I'll play and use the @MJW grading scale. Plus I'll add what's missing here, a commonsense section for coaches who aren't even on the chopping block.
THEY'LL LEAVE WHEN THEY FEEL LIKE LEAVING, PERIOD:
Pete Carroll, Seahawks
Bill Belichick, Patriots
Andy Reid, Chiefs
Mike Tomlin, Chiefs
John Harbaugh, Ravens
SAFE NO MATTER WHAT:
Brian Daboll, Giants
Nick Sirianni, Eagles
Kevin O'Connell, Vikings
Frank Reich, Panthers
Jonathan Gannon, Cardinals
Sean McDermott, Bills
Zac Taylor, Bengals
Shane Steichen, Colts
Doug Pederson, Jaguars
DeMeco Ryans, Texans
Sean Payton, Broncos
Sean McVay, Rams
Mike McDaniel, Dolphins
COULD PROBABLY SURVIVE TWO BAD YEARS BEFORE IT BECOMES DO OR DIE:
Kyle Shanahan, 49ers
Dan Campbell, Lions
Mike McCarthy, Cowboys You cray cray
ALMOST CERTAINLY HAVE A GRACE YEAR TO WORK WITH:
Matt LaFluer, Packers
Matt Eberflus, Bears see McCarthy, Mike
Robert Saleh, Jets
Josh McDaniels, Raiders
Todd Bowles, Bucs
Dennis Allen, Saints
A BAD 2023 AND THEY'RE PROBABLY (OR CERTAINLY) DEAD MEAT:
Ron Rivera, Commanderskins
Arthur Smith, Falcons
Kevin Stefanski, Browns
Mike Vrabel, Titans
Brandon Staley, Chargers
I don’t know if Lafleur can survive two straight years of no postseason. Not to mention those years of underperforming when they did get to the postseason.Bootz wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 9:45 am I'll play and use the @MJW grading scale. Plus I'll add what's missing here, a commonsense section for coaches who aren't even on the chopping block.
THEY'LL LEAVE WHEN THEY FEEL LIKE LEAVING, PERIOD:
Pete Carroll, Seahawks
Bill Belichick, Patriots
Andy Reid, Chiefs
Mike Tomlin, Chiefs
John Harbaugh, Ravens
SAFE NO MATTER WHAT:
Brian Daboll, Giants
Nick Sirianni, Eagles
Kevin O'Connell, Vikings
Frank Reich, Panthers
Jonathan Gannon, Cardinals
Sean McDermott, Bills
Zac Taylor, Bengals
Shane Steichen, Colts
Doug Pederson, Jaguars
DeMeco Ryans, Texans
Sean Payton, Broncos
Sean McVay, Rams
Mike McDaniel, Dolphins
COULD PROBABLY SURVIVE TWO BAD YEARS BEFORE IT BECOMES DO OR DIE:
Kyle Shanahan, 49ers
Dan Campbell, Lions
Mike McCarthy, Cowboys
ALMOST CERTAINLY HAVE A GRACE YEAR TO WORK WITH:
Matt LaFluer, Packers
Matt Eberflus, Bears
Robert Saleh, Jets
Josh McDaniels, Raiders
Todd Bowles, Bucs
Dennis Allen, Saints
A BAD 2023 AND THEY'RE PROBABLY (OR CERTAINLY) DEAD MEAT:
Ron Rivera, Commanderskins
Arthur Smith, Falcons
Kevin Stefanski, Browns
Mike Vrabel, Titans
Brandon Staley, Chargers
Opinions on Bowles will be jaded. Specifically yours having him as the only HC who's "boiling" when there's almost a quarter of the HCs in this league in much worse situations. Like Dennis Allen, who was also handpicked as Peyton's successor and did worse than Bowles did. Or Ron Rivera, who's going into his 4th year in Washington and has yet to have a winning season. Or Arthur Smith, who 2 years in has matching 7-10 seasons.Navybuc wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 8:35 amI don’t know if Lafleur can survive two straight years of no postseason. Not to mention those years of underperforming when they did get to the postseason.Bootz wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 9:45 am I'll play and use the @MJW grading scale. Plus I'll add what's missing here, a commonsense section for coaches who aren't even on the chopping block.
THEY'LL LEAVE WHEN THEY FEEL LIKE LEAVING, PERIOD:
Pete Carroll, Seahawks
Bill Belichick, Patriots
Andy Reid, Chiefs
Mike Tomlin, Chiefs
John Harbaugh, Ravens
SAFE NO MATTER WHAT:
Brian Daboll, Giants
Nick Sirianni, Eagles
Kevin O'Connell, Vikings
Frank Reich, Panthers
Jonathan Gannon, Cardinals
Sean McDermott, Bills
Zac Taylor, Bengals
Shane Steichen, Colts
Doug Pederson, Jaguars
DeMeco Ryans, Texans
Sean Payton, Broncos
Sean McVay, Rams
Mike McDaniel, Dolphins
COULD PROBABLY SURVIVE TWO BAD YEARS BEFORE IT BECOMES DO OR DIE:
Kyle Shanahan, 49ers
Dan Campbell, Lions
Mike McCarthy, Cowboys
ALMOST CERTAINLY HAVE A GRACE YEAR TO WORK WITH:
Matt LaFluer, Packers
Matt Eberflus, Bears
Robert Saleh, Jets
Josh McDaniels, Raiders
Todd Bowles, Bucs
Dennis Allen, Saints
A BAD 2023 AND THEY'RE PROBABLY (OR CERTAINLY) DEAD MEAT:
Ron Rivera, Commanderskins
Arthur Smith, Falcons
Kevin Stefanski, Browns
Mike Vrabel, Titans
Brandon Staley, Chargers
I do think Bowles is on the hot seat. For one, he never really was hired as HC…he was handpicked by Arians to take his place. Secondly, he just flat out sucks as a HC. And if this year goes as bad as we all think it will (except doctor who thinks we’re winning the SB) the Glazers will have too much pressure to make a change.
It's not unheard of to get rid of a coach who has a great winning record:Bootz wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 8:45 amOpinions on Bowles will be jaded. Specifically yours having him as the only HC who's "boiling" when there's almost a quarter of the HCs in this league in much worse situations. Like Dennis Allen, who was also handpicked as Peyton's successor and did worse than Bowles did. Or Ron Rivera, who's going into his 4th year in Washington and has yet to have a winning season. Or Arthur Smith, who 2 years in has matching 7-10 seasons.Navybuc wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 8:35 am
I don’t know if Lafleur can survive two straight years of no postseason. Not to mention those years of underperforming when they did get to the postseason.
I do think Bowles is on the hot seat. For one, he never really was hired as HC…he was handpicked by Arians to take his place. Secondly, he just flat out sucks as a HC. And if this year goes as bad as we all think it will (except doctor who thinks we’re winning the SB) the Glazers will have too much pressure to make a change.
On the contrary, LaFluer is 47-19 through 4 years. Yet you somehow place him in more hot water than, again, coaches who have performed much worse than him. I'd say it's almost as if you have it out for some coaches.
The fact that you had to go back 17 years to find a correlation to the point you tried to make should tell you something, kiddo.acmillis wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 9:17 amIt's not unheard of to get rid of a coach who has a great winning record:Bootz wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 8:45 am
Opinions on Bowles will be jaded. Specifically yours having him as the only HC who's "boiling" when there's almost a quarter of the HCs in this league in much worse situations. Like Dennis Allen, who was also handpicked as Peyton's successor and did worse than Bowles did. Or Ron Rivera, who's going into his 4th year in Washington and has yet to have a winning season. Or Arthur Smith, who 2 years in has matching 7-10 seasons.
On the contrary, LaFluer is 47-19 through 4 years. Yet you somehow place him in more hot water than, again, coaches who have performed much worse than him. I'd say it's almost as if you have it out for some coaches.
8-8
4-12
12-4 (Lost in WC game)
9-7
14-2 (Lost in Divisional round)
Marty got the axe after those five years, averaging almost 12 wins over the last three seasons.
6-10
10-6 Lost in divisional round
8-8
11-5 lost in NFCC game
10-6 lost in WC
9-7 lost in WC
Our guy Dungy.
Since the Glazers took over, how many Bucs coaches have survived two straight losing seasons besides Gruden (who had just won the SB)?Bootz wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 8:45 amOpinions on Bowles will be jaded. Specifically yours having him as the only HC who's "boiling" when there's almost a quarter of the HCs in this league in much worse situations. Like Dennis Allen, who was also handpicked as Peyton's successor and did worse than Bowles did. Or Ron Rivera, who's going into his 4th year in Washington and has yet to have a winning season. Or Arthur Smith, who 2 years in has matching 7-10 seasons.Navybuc wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 8:35 am
I don’t know if Lafleur can survive two straight years of no postseason. Not to mention those years of underperforming when they did get to the postseason.
I do think Bowles is on the hot seat. For one, he never really was hired as HC…he was handpicked by Arians to take his place. Secondly, he just flat out sucks as a HC. And if this year goes as bad as we all think it will (except doctor who thinks we’re winning the SB) the Glazers will have too much pressure to make a change.
On the contrary, LaFluer is 47-19 through 4 years. Yet you somehow place him in more hot water than, again, coaches who have performed much worse than him. I'd say it's almost as if you have it out for some coaches.
You really don't understand that all situations - and individuals - aren't created equally? The Raiders fired Bill Callahan 11 months after appearing in a Superbowl. The Cowboys fired Barry Switzer with a 40-24 record. 8-8 has gotten some coaches fired and others COTY votes.
I do understand that you purposely given these hypothetical situations that may happen but most likely won't nor can't be proven. But to make yourself appear smarter than you actually are you make definitive statements because you know there's nothing to lose. In the end you're rarely proven right or wrong. But you can stick your chest out knowing the bullshit you spout will be forgotten sooner or later.MJW wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 3:57 pmYou really don't understand that all situations - and individuals - aren't created equally? The Raiders fired Bill Callahan 11 months after appearing in a Superbowl. The Cowboys fired Barry Switzer with a 40-24 record. 8-8 has gotten some coaches fired and others COTY votes.
In LaFleur's case, he's coming off one of the most disappointing seasons in recent memory in Green Bay. His inability to win anything with Rodgers is hanging over his head. Now, he has his controversial, hand-picked successor lined up after 3 years of being tutored. You really don't understand how a 5-12 year with an overwhelmed Jordan Love would get him fired?
Might find one in a tent city somewhere, just looking for a break.Miller4Prez64 wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 11:47 pm If we do indeed fire Bowles, I would like a younger offensive coach with the idea of rebuilding/overhauling the offense in mind. I don’t think a college coach is the right way to go though.
Prerequisite #2 to being hired as an NFL HC.
As I said above, no Bucs coach has survived two straight losing seasons (except Gruden’s free SB pass in 03-04). Therefore, I expect him to have to win 9 games or else he’s gonna have to have a good reason for being the exception to history.Grahamburn wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 5:36 pm So, what gets Bowles fired? 8-9? Or is it a combination of factors? Some 8-9 seasons look way better than others. I'd think if he goes 8-9 with an offensive improvement and defensive consistency he's probably safe for another year.
With what it sounds like reading the tea leaves we're going to play to the defense and then hope the offense doesn't turn it over, which is a recipe for disaster.
It's hard to say. I don't think OBP has an exact number (I don't think many organizations really do.)Grahamburn wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 5:36 pm So, what gets Bowles fired? 8-9? Or is it a combination of factors? Some 8-9 seasons look way better than others. I'd think if he goes 8-9 with an offensive improvement and defensive consistency he's probably safe for another year.
With what it sounds like reading the tea leaves we're going to play to the defense and then hope the offense doesn't turn it over, which is a recipe for disaster.
It all depends on how that record unfolds.Grahamburn wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 5:36 pm So, what gets Bowles fired? 8-9? Or is it a combination of factors? Some 8-9 seasons look way better than others. I'd think if he goes 8-9 with an offensive improvement and defensive consistency he's probably safe for another year.
With what it sounds like reading the tea leaves we're going to play to the defense and then hope the offense doesn't turn it over, which is a recipe for disaster.
Gee, Bowles should've left Brady in during a meaningless game to avoid "a losing seasons". I'm sure that would've gone over well.Navybuc wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 6:43 pmAs I said above, no Bucs coach has survived two straight losing seasons (except Gruden’s free SB pass in 03-04). Therefore, I expect him to have to win 9 games or else he’s gonna have to have a good reason for being the exception to history.Grahamburn wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 5:36 pm So, what gets Bowles fired? 8-9? Or is it a combination of factors? Some 8-9 seasons look way better than others. I'd think if he goes 8-9 with an offensive improvement and defensive consistency he's probably safe for another year.
With what it sounds like reading the tea leaves we're going to play to the defense and then hope the offense doesn't turn it over, which is a recipe for disaster.
You can spin it how you want but a loss is a loss. And frankly, we didn’t look like a winning team last year so I don’t think anyone here (except maybe you) will defend Bowles and say last year was an acceptable season. Last year sucked. We had no deserving of being in the playoffs. Dallas absolutely whooped our ass on national TV.
Let me put a finer point on it:Navybuc wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 8:40 amYou can spin it how you want but a loss is a loss. And frankly, we didn’t look like a winning team last year so I don’t think anyone here (except maybe you) will defend Bowles and say last year was an acceptable season. Last year sucked. We had no deserving of being in the playoffs. Dallas absolutely whooped our ass on national TV.
Really? That explains the constant anger in your posts I guess.
I could have understood a transition period with everything going on this offseason. But it was Bowles's job from that point to pull it together. Instead, things got worse and more dysfunctional the longer Arians faded from memory and the Bowles Way sunk in. The crowning achievement was the utter debacle in our house against a mid Cowboys team.Four Verticals wrote: ↑Sat May 20, 2023 11:44 amReally? That explains the constant anger in your posts I guess.
I thought last year a cluster fuck of mammoth proportions from the second Brady announced his return. I never felt he was into it and he certainly demonstrated that at times during the off season, pre-season and actual season. The Bucs moves were all made to appease his return and attempt to make it happen again which I never thought were realistic. In a sense the team was left with two choices which were to somehow not take him back or to go all in. I don't see an in-between that was realistic. Our season would have likely been worse but the franchise currently in better shape had Brady not come back and all the moves which were made were not.
Throw in other issues such as the coaching change, a couple of injuries to the wrong guys and the season worked out to a pretty decent degree the way I thought it would.
As far as Bowles is concerned being retained after this season, I think he's more on the bubble than some apparently do and it will take a pretty poor season (which I expect btw) for him to be dumped after the season. 3-14/5-12 something like that. Anything more than that and he very well may be back.