That's legit amazing. I had no idea.
It's going to be really sad when he plays a 15 year HOF career for the Chargers and plays in like, 1 AFCCG.
That's legit amazing. I had no idea.
So why didn't Rivers win one ring?The Outsider wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:52 amYes, them not winning a ring is 100% Phillip Rivers' fault.
Bro you and LUGZ are the Skip and Shannon of bad QB takes.
A combination of injuries to himself and other key players, playing in the same conference as Tom Brady and Peyton Manning who also had better coaching staffs and organizations around them. The defenses weren't great for most of his tenure. He never had amazing weapons at WR outside of Vincent Jackson and maybe an old-ass Keenan McCardell.acmillis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:54 amSo why didn't Rivers win one ring?The Outsider wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:52 am
Yes, them not winning a ring is 100% Phillip Rivers' fault.
Bro you and LUGZ are the Skip and Shannon of bad QB takes.
And my, "other bad qb takes?"The Outsider wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 11:23 amA combination of injuries to himself and other key players, playing in the same conference as Tom Brady and Peyton Manning who also had better coaching staffs and organizations around them. The defenses weren't great for most of his tenure. He never had amazing weapons at WR outside of Vincent Jackson and maybe an old-ass Keenan McCardell.
I think they would have beat the Pats in the 2007 AFC Championship game if Rivers wasn't playing the whole game on a torn ACL.
In 2008 when they lost to the Steelers, Rivers played very well, but their defense shit the bed and Tomlinson couldn't run the ball.
Post Tomlinson and Gates the Chargers were hot garbage that not a single QB in history could have succeeded with.
Super Bowl wins are not the end-all-be-all of evaluating QBs. Was Brad Johnson the best QB in the league in 2002? Was Trent Dilfer the best QB in the league in 1999? Was Nick Foles a better QB than Tom Brady in 2016? Are any of those guys better QBs than Phillip Rivers?
My god, man. That wasn't enough and you want more?acmillis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 11:43 amAnd my, "other bad qb takes?"The Outsider wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 11:23 am
A combination of injuries to himself and other key players, playing in the same conference as Tom Brady and Peyton Manning who also had better coaching staffs and organizations around them. The defenses weren't great for most of his tenure. He never had amazing weapons at WR outside of Vincent Jackson and maybe an old-ass Keenan McCardell.
I think they would have beat the Pats in the 2007 AFC Championship game if Rivers wasn't playing the whole game on a torn ACL.
In 2008 when they lost to the Steelers, Rivers played very well, but their defense shit the bed and Tomlinson couldn't run the ball.
Post Tomlinson and Gates the Chargers were hot garbage that not a single QB in history could have succeeded with.
Super Bowl wins are not the end-all-be-all of evaluating QBs. Was Brad Johnson the best QB in the league in 2002? Was Trent Dilfer the best QB in the league in 1999? Was Nick Foles a better QB than Tom Brady in 2016? Are any of those guys better QBs than Phillip Rivers?
acmillis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 11:43 amAnd my, "other bad qb takes?"The Outsider wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 11:23 am
A combination of injuries to himself and other key players, playing in the same conference as Tom Brady and Peyton Manning who also had better coaching staffs and organizations around them. The defenses weren't great for most of his tenure. He never had amazing weapons at WR outside of Vincent Jackson and maybe an old-ass Keenan McCardell.
I think they would have beat the Pats in the 2007 AFC Championship game if Rivers wasn't playing the whole game on a torn ACL.
In 2008 when they lost to the Steelers, Rivers played very well, but their defense shit the bed and Tomlinson couldn't run the ball.
Post Tomlinson and Gates the Chargers were hot garbage that not a single QB in history could have succeeded with.
Super Bowl wins are not the end-all-be-all of evaluating QBs. Was Brad Johnson the best QB in the league in 2002? Was Trent Dilfer the best QB in the league in 1999? Was Nick Foles a better QB than Tom Brady in 2016? Are any of those guys better QBs than Phillip Rivers?
King Bootz wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 2:08 pm
-You're an admitted Lamar Jackson hater and you don't think he's worth a contract extension. I said I wouldn't pay him $50M....seems like the right call as of this posting.
- Tua, you think we should only pay attention to his rookie and 2nd year production(in which he improveed from year 1 to year 2 and was pretty good last year) and not his development in year 3 in which he was the #1 rated passer. Tua had a good half season stretch, then returned to who he is, medicore and injured. You're ignoring the norm, and advocating I only pay attention to the half season stretch.
-You've pretty much admitted you don't believe in QB development. Me: Give Trask a chance, we don't know what we have in him, he may develop"...Bootz: YoU DoNt BeLiEvE iN dEvElOpMeNt
-Saying Justin Field is trash despite being extremely young and improving across the board in year 2. He is trash, but I already said we'll se what happens in 2023.
-And saying Kyle Trask deserves to start. Yes, Trask deserves a chance to play. He may be the best ever, he may be the worst ever, but let him prove it.
Do I need to continue?
Hi Pedro.*tgp* wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 8:24 am Brady catching all sorts of shit and some of it well deserved but it's not like Jackson is having a stellar season. Woof, that 4 quarter last week was brutal. But he's still 3rd and it's not even close IMHO.
Tua and Murray on this list is funny. Tua gets injured if a defender comes within 3 yards of the dude. But at least he seems like a good guy.
Murray? Petty little fuck who should have stuck with baseball as it's a much more individual sport and he's a selfish prick. Can't wait for the play where he's doing his video game bullshit, running 60 total yards behind the LOS, does one of those spin moves and gets murdered by a 320 lbs Dlineman.
By Tim Kelly, Audacy Sports
January 12, 20235:19 pm
As he remains in concussion protocol, Tua Tagovailoa will not suit up for what would have been the first playoff game of his career this Sunday against the Buffalo Bills.
It's unclear whether the third-year quarterback would be able to return if the Miami Dolphins advance to the AFC Divisional Round, but given that the Bills are now 13-point favorites this weekend, it will likely be a moot point.
What happens from there is unclear. Presumably -- although nothing should be taken for granted with Stephen Ross as owner -- general manager Chris Grier and head coach Mike McDaniel will return after helping the Dolphins to reach the postseason for the first time since 2016.
But what about Tua?
This offseason, the Dolphins will have to decide whether to pick up the former No. 5 overall pick's fifth-year option. Not only does Mike Florio not think that will happen, but on Thursday's edition of "PFT Live" he took things about 10 steps further when discussing Tagovailoa's future:
"There's going to be a collective or coincidental decision made by all of the teams that we can't have this guy in the NFL anymore. Because when he plays, we have to hold our breath and sit on the edge of our seat that he's going to have a concussion, and that's gonna lead the morning shows on ABC, CBS and NBC the next day. We don't want that kind of attention on our sport, and we don't want parents out there fretting about not letting their kids play. And I think that's the real analysis, unspoken, by the team. They're not gonna come out and say this is why they did it, they're gonna say that this is in the best interests of Tua. I think they are thinking in their own best interests.
"That's why I think -- we've kind of worked this through -- I don't think he's gonna be on the Dolphins next year, and I think there's a good chance he's not gonna be on any team next year."
Whether you're a card-carrying member of "Tuanon" or think he's more like a middle-of-the-pack quarterback, most would agree that Tagovailoa played well enough in 2022 to return as Miami's starter next season. In parts of 13 games, Tagovailoa tossed 25 touchdowns to eight interceptions, racking up 3,548 passing yards as he quickly grasped McDaniels' offensive system and built great chemistry with both Tyreek Hill and Jaylen Waddle.
The problem is, Tagovailoa has had at least two documented concussions this season, and many believe that the real number is actually three. There is a public relations element to this that Florio touched on. There's also the fact that the Dolphins have a good enough roster to make a deep playoff run with the right quarterback. Perhaps a healthy Tagovailoa is the right quarterback, but if you can't bank on him staying healthy -- and he has a lengthy injury history that dates back to his college career at Alabama -- the Dolphins may choose to pivot this offseason to another quarterback. Tom Brady and Derek Carr are among the accomplished veterans who could be available this offseason.
Tagovailoa does have one final guaranteed year in his rookie contract in 2023, and perhaps the Dolphins will formulate a plan that attempts to keep the lefty healthier next season. But one would think they'll at least consider alternatives, and it would be naive to think that the elements Florio mentioned couldn't play a factor.
I pointed that out at the beginning... TBI does not heal.The Outsider wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:25 am Welp, Tua may not even be in the league any more, let alone this conversation.
https://www.audacy.com/national/sports/ ... ext-season
By Tim Kelly, Audacy Sports
January 12, 20235:19 pm
As he remains in concussion protocol, Tua Tagovailoa will not suit up for what would have been the first playoff game of his career this Sunday against the Buffalo Bills.
It's unclear whether the third-year quarterback would be able to return if the Miami Dolphins advance to the AFC Divisional Round, but given that the Bills are now 13-point favorites this weekend, it will likely be a moot point.
What happens from there is unclear. Presumably -- although nothing should be taken for granted with Stephen Ross as owner -- general manager Chris Grier and head coach Mike McDaniel will return after helping the Dolphins to reach the postseason for the first time since 2016.
But what about Tua?
This offseason, the Dolphins will have to decide whether to pick up the former No. 5 overall pick's fifth-year option. Not only does Mike Florio not think that will happen, but on Thursday's edition of "PFT Live" he took things about 10 steps further when discussing Tagovailoa's future:
"There's going to be a collective or coincidental decision made by all of the teams that we can't have this guy in the NFL anymore. Because when he plays, we have to hold our breath and sit on the edge of our seat that he's going to have a concussion, and that's gonna lead the morning shows on ABC, CBS and NBC the next day. We don't want that kind of attention on our sport, and we don't want parents out there fretting about not letting their kids play. And I think that's the real analysis, unspoken, by the team. They're not gonna come out and say this is why they did it, they're gonna say that this is in the best interests of Tua. I think they are thinking in their own best interests.
"That's why I think -- we've kind of worked this through -- I don't think he's gonna be on the Dolphins next year, and I think there's a good chance he's not gonna be on any team next year."
Whether you're a card-carrying member of "Tuanon" or think he's more like a middle-of-the-pack quarterback, most would agree that Tagovailoa played well enough in 2022 to return as Miami's starter next season. In parts of 13 games, Tagovailoa tossed 25 touchdowns to eight interceptions, racking up 3,548 passing yards as he quickly grasped McDaniels' offensive system and built great chemistry with both Tyreek Hill and Jaylen Waddle.
The problem is, Tagovailoa has had at least two documented concussions this season, and many believe that the real number is actually three. There is a public relations element to this that Florio touched on. There's also the fact that the Dolphins have a good enough roster to make a deep playoff run with the right quarterback. Perhaps a healthy Tagovailoa is the right quarterback, but if you can't bank on him staying healthy -- and he has a lengthy injury history that dates back to his college career at Alabama -- the Dolphins may choose to pivot this offseason to another quarterback. Tom Brady and Derek Carr are among the accomplished veterans who could be available this offseason.
Tagovailoa does have one final guaranteed year in his rookie contract in 2023, and perhaps the Dolphins will formulate a plan that attempts to keep the lefty healthier next season. But one would think they'll at least consider alternatives, and it would be naive to think that the elements Florio mentioned couldn't play a factor.
Weird to flex about something like thatDigital_Damage wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 3:06 pmI pointed that out at the beginning... TBI does not heal.The Outsider wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:25 am Welp, Tua may not even be in the league any more, let alone this conversation.
https://www.audacy.com/national/sports/ ... ext-season
It looks like I hit on a lot of my predictions this year.
At this point Allen has regressed. In fact when you compare his 2020 season to the other 4, 2020 starts to look like an outlier. Allen has essentially been a rich man's Jameis Winston otherwise. He can move the ball. Make incredible throws. But man he will make some backbreaking and head scratching mistakes and turnovers. Maybe not at the same clip as Winston does but critical nonetheless.
He does play hero ball in the clutch. Burrow by contrast is way cooler in similar situations.Bootz wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 11:37 amAt this point Allen has regressed. In fact when you compare his 2020 season to the other 4, 2020 starts to look like an outlier. Allen has essentially been a rich man's Jameis Winston otherwise. He can move the ball. Make incredible throws. But man he will make some backbreaking and head scratching mistakes and turnovers. Maybe not at the same clip as Winston does but critical nonetheless.
Ya I’d probably take Burrow over Allen. Allen did have some elbow issues last year so that could have played a part, but no doubt his decision making regressed. Still the best “two way” QB in the league though.Bootz wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 11:37 amAt this point Allen has regressed. In fact when you compare his 2020 season to the other 4, 2020 starts to look like an outlier. Allen has essentially been a rich man's Jameis Winston otherwise. He can move the ball. Make incredible throws. But man he will make some backbreaking and head scratching mistakes and turnovers. Maybe not at the same clip as Winston does but critical nonetheless.
Selmon Rules wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 6:38 pmI think, given the choice, I would take Hurts over Allen right now
But that's just me
Burrow reminds me a TON of Joe Montana. Neither pass rush nor big moments alter his level of play. I don't know if we'll ever see another Mahomes, but I'm even less certain we'll see another Burrow. I'm going to enjoy witnessing his career._MB_ wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 12:00 pmHe does play hero ball in the clutch. Burrow by contrast is way cooler in similar situations.Bootz wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 11:37 am
At this point Allen has regressed. In fact when you compare his 2020 season to the other 4, 2020 starts to look like an outlier. Allen has essentially been a rich man's Jameis Winston otherwise. He can move the ball. Make incredible throws. But man he will make some backbreaking and head scratching mistakes and turnovers. Maybe not at the same clip as Winston does but critical nonetheless.